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03/30/2008 09:38:08 PM · #1 |
That's right, in a hackers contest weakest OS was OSX followed by Vista. Linux remained unhacked. The only reason Vista was taken down is because of a bug in Adobe's Flash.
//arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/03/30/vista-second-os-to-fall-to-hackers-in-security-contest
oh.. and I don't mean to start the fight. I just thought this was very interesting.
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03/31/2008 01:46:17 PM · #2 |
| I laugh at Apple!!! Always did always will. Not because of the OS but the people who use it... Stuck up tone "My OSX never gets viruses or can't be hacked". |
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03/31/2008 01:50:22 PM · #3 |
I don't use safari anyway. it is totally removed from my mac
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03/31/2008 02:12:14 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by MAK:
I don't use safari anyway. it is totally removed from my mac |
I don't use safari either - its firefox for me. |
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03/31/2008 02:15:18 PM · #5 |
Notice that the guys that hacked Vista on the third day used Apple Powerbooks.
LMAO |
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03/31/2008 02:22:09 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by ben4345:
I laugh at Apple!!! Always did always will. Not because of the OS but the people who use it... Stuck up tone "My OSX never gets viruses or can't be hacked". |
EXACTLY! I work on pc's for a living at a hospital. Once in a while when i work on a pc the user will say "i'm a mac guy you know" but always in that tone that conveys the idea that i am supposed to congratulate them for it. I have never had a problem with the machine, i just dont use em and i dont make my money on them. its the users that drive me crazy. most recently it was a doctor in the ER who, while i worked on the pc he called about, told me he owned a mac and also detailed what HE thought was wrong with the pc. my favorite part was when he knowingly took me to the control panel and said "look at this, these icons that say 'systems management' and 'run advertised programs' i think those are viruses!"
i really had to bite my tongue on that one... |
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03/31/2008 02:24:38 PM · #7 |
I know, eh, they are almost as bad as those Nikon buffs.
*bites tongue* |
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03/31/2008 02:38:33 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by tapeworm_jimmy:
I know, eh, they are almost as bad as those Nikon buffs.
*bites tongue* |
No, no no, it's the Leica buffs we need to worry about. |
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03/31/2008 02:51:12 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by ben4345:
I laugh at Apple!!! Always did always will. Not because of the OS but the people who use it... Stuck up tone "My OSX never gets viruses or can't be hacked". |
Laugh all you want. Doesn't change the fact that there are 100,000+ Windows viruses, and still not one in the wild for OS X.
Hacks are different than viruses. No system is hack proof, but is this one example evens the score in your eyes, you simply do not understand the situation.
Peace all! ;-) |
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03/31/2008 03:20:59 PM · #10 |
I think this article is an interesting take on the situation (as posted in one of the comments at the original link).
In short, if you think that the results of this contest in any way show which OS is less secure, you are most likely mistaken.
Message edited by author 2008-03-31 15:21:27. |
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03/31/2008 03:43:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by ben4345:
I laugh at Apple!!! Always did always will. Not because of the OS but the people who use it... Stuck up tone "My OSX never gets viruses or can't be hacked". |
Laugh all you want. Doesn't change the fact that there are 100,000+ Windows viruses, and still not one in the wild for OS X.
Hacks are different than viruses. No system is hack proof, but is this one example evens the score in your eyes, you simply do not understand the situation.
Peace all! ;-) |
Then what is this?
In the wild....
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03/31/2008 03:51:29 PM · #12 |
Self-explanatory. "The Imunizator Trojan makes false claims that Macs have privacy problems as part of its attempt to install itself." |
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03/31/2008 07:27:30 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Hacks are different than viruses. No system is hack proof, but is this one example evens the score in your eyes, you simply do not understand the situation.
Peace all! ;-) |
how so? once a vulnerability is found it can't be automated in the form of a virus and pushed out? |
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03/31/2008 08:39:16 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Hacks are different than viruses. No system is hack proof, but is this one example evens the score in your eyes, you simply do not understand the situation.
Peace all! ;-) |
how so? once a vulnerability is found it can't be automated in the form of a virus and pushed out? |
The conditions of the competition were that the OS manufacturers would have the opportunity to fix the vulnerability before they became public. That was the whole point of it.
The nature of OS X (and Unix/Linux) is that a virus can't really do much because it doesn't have free reign on all of the system's files. Windows, by its nature, does not have the same restrictions. That's why it is, on average, much more vulnerable (and more easy to infect).
You're free to talk all you want about pompous doctors and generalize all Mac users if it makes you feel better, but you're in full denial if you think Windows is by default less hackable or less prone to infection than OS X.
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03/31/2008 08:47:32 PM · #15 |
The way I look at it...I could give a crap less about what other people say about THEIR system. MINE is safe and I have never had a problem, EVER, with any viruses, worms, or trojans. And I don't have any "anti" anything installed.
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03/31/2008 08:52:07 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by geoffb:
The nature of OS X (and Unix/Linux) is that a virus can't really do much because it doesn't have free reign on all of the system's files. Windows, by its nature, does not have the same restrictions. That's why it is, on average, much more vulnerable (and more easy to infect).
You're free to talk all you want about pompous doctors and generalize all Mac users if it makes you feel better, but you're in full denial if you think Windows is by default less hackable or less prone to infection than OS X. |
I never felt bad in the first place so while generalizing mac users is fun it doesn't make me feel better. I never once said Windows was less prone to infection. Although it is interesting to note that recently security researcher Kevin Finisterre and an unidentified hacker teamed up and created a month of Apple bugs project. In which they revealed a new security flaw every day. the reason Windows is attacked and infected more is simply a matter of numbers. If Mac was the predominant OS the way windows is, you would have all the same people despising the corporate giant Apple and talking about how great their windows machines are.
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03/31/2008 09:03:11 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
The way I look at it...I could give a crap less about what other people say about THEIR system. MINE is safe and I have never had a problem, EVER, with any viruses, worms, or trojans. And I don't have any "anti" anything installed. |
LMAO - you are either very brave or have never heard the term Hubris...
ETA - esp if you are running a windows system...
Message edited by author 2008-03-31 21:03:35. |
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03/31/2008 10:15:44 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by geoffb:
The nature of OS X (and Unix/Linux) is that a virus can't really do much because it doesn't have free reign on all of the system's files. Windows, by its nature, does not have the same restrictions. That's why it is, on average, much more vulnerable (and more easy to infect).
You're free to talk all you want about pompous doctors and generalize all Mac users if it makes you feel better, but you're in full denial if you think Windows is by default less hackable or less prone to infection than OS X. |
I never felt bad in the first place so while generalizing mac users is fun it doesn't make me feel better. I never once said Windows was less prone to infection. Although it is interesting to note that recently security researcher Kevin Finisterre and an unidentified hacker teamed up and created a month of Apple bugs project. In which they revealed a new security flaw every day. the reason Windows is attacked and infected more is simply a matter of numbers. If Mac was the predominant OS the way windows is, you would have all the same people despising the corporate giant Apple and talking about how great their windows machines are. |
It's not a numbers game, never has been. They attack Windows because they can. Low hanging fruit is always the easiest to pick. (no pun intended) But rock on with your bad Windows self and more power to ya! ;-) |
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03/31/2008 11:26:10 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
... If Mac was the predominant OS the way windows is, you would have all the same people despising the corporate giant Apple and talking about how great their windows machines are. |
True true |
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03/31/2008 11:36:59 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
Originally posted by smardaz:
... If Mac was the predominant OS the way windows is, you would have all the same people despising the corporate giant Apple and talking about how great their windows machines are. |
True true |
Is it? The Blackberry is a very popular phone, and yet it remains very difficult to hack. Sure, there are more people using Windows than any other OS, but that means more money for Microsoft, which should translate into better security efforts. They've have years to make their operating systems more secure, and yet they seem to be making very weak attempts.
Anti-virus corporations and IT professionals make very comfortable livings off of the weaknesses of Windows, so perhaps that's got something to do with it.
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04/01/2008 02:36:56 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
The way I look at it...I could give a crap less about what other people say about THEIR system. MINE is safe and I have never had a problem, EVER, with any viruses, worms, or trojans. And I don't have any "anti" anything installed. |
Your system isn't safe. You've just been lucky.
If you keep your door unlocked in a questionable neighborhood, but your house never gets burglarized, that doesn't magically make your house "safer" than another.
~Terry
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04/01/2008 02:52:52 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
The way I look at it...I could give a crap less about what other people say about THEIR system. MINE is safe and I have never had a problem, EVER, with any viruses, worms, or trojans. And I don't have any "anti" anything installed. |
Your system isn't safe. You've just been lucky.
If you keep your door unlocked in a questionable neighborhood, but your house never gets burglarized, that doesn't magically make your house "safer" than another.
~Terry |
Also there could be programs running on your PC you don't know about, spyware etc, they might be slowing your system without you knowing. |
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04/01/2008 04:45:24 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
The way I look at it...I could give a crap less about what other people say about THEIR system. MINE is safe and I have never had a problem, EVER, with any viruses, worms, or trojans. And I don't have any "anti" anything installed. |
Your system isn't safe. You've just been lucky.
If you keep your door unlocked in a questionable neighborhood, but your house never gets burglarized, that doesn't magically make your house "safer" than another.
~Terry |
Hmm...owned and operated Apple products since 1984, starting with an Apple IIe, been online and using the "internet" since 1994-95 area. So it it all must be luck.
and the "magically" safe unlocked house, is safer..cuz it is backed by a .45! :) and the burglars don't want to waste their time.
Message edited by author 2008-04-01 04:46:43.
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04/01/2008 09:40:00 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
It's not a numbers game, never has been. They attack Windows because they can. Low hanging fruit is always the easiest to pick. (no pun intended) But rock on with your bad Windows self and more power to ya! ;-) |
I guess on that we'll have to agree to disagree, hackers love notoriety and they get alot more of it the more machines that can affect, and i appreciate you trying to keep it friendly but just so you know i was never upset :)
Message edited by author 2008-04-01 10:19:12. |
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04/01/2008 09:47:14 AM · #25 |
So, the obvious answer is just to not rely on security anywhere near your OS layer, because the vulnerabilities are all with the default installed OS applications - i.e. non-PC firewall (e.g. in router/modem) doing address translation (NAT or packet filtering, or better). And encrypt everything sensitive.
It still surprises me that there hasn't been made a desktop network OFF switch, that you plug your PC ethernet into, and then again into your switch...so at night, or times you're AFK, you just kill the network (virtual unplug). Not perfect but nice and simple.
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