5D II Spec Sheet (MSRP $3499, available June 2)

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

03/27/2008 10:00:28 AM · #76

Originally posted by Tez:

I think the name '5d' for these models is just a handle to use. It cuold well be an entirely new line and no relation to the current 5d. It just happens to be a new full frame camera.

thing is, the 5d2 seems to have a spec sheet comparable with the 1ds mk2, apart from the weather sealing (which was rumoured to exist on the 5d2 anyways) for about $1000 less. 5d2 also has a faster frame rate.

But the thing that gets me about the weather sealing: if it is fully sealed (like the 1 series), does this then mean it will have to have the grip included in the body cast? Otherwise would there be any mould lines on the underside that could be problematic?

5d2 looks brilliant if it's real and it surprises me canon is not publicising it themselves because a lot of guys will go down the 5d2 path if it's real. Then again, i suppose this would take interest away from the current 5d which means they would be sold cheaper and therefore less profit.

But this is still another rumour. Again, no indication of sources, or any backup. I could just as easily say there is a new flagship model coming out that's 31mp, 10 fps and 144 focus points. Oh, it's full frame and comes with a kray attached to it.

I have no idea what a 'Kray' is - but I want one already :- )

msieglerfr

Nikon D200

03/27/2008 10:05:42 AM · #77

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there is no better...but one is cheaper and the other one is more expensive

Message edited by author 2008-03-27 10:06:36.

Tez

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

03/27/2008 10:07:00 AM · #78

oops sorry. That should be 'cray'.

Cray Supercomputers

Bugzeye

03/27/2008 10:10:07 AM · #79

I hope this will push Nikon to lower the price of the D3 a little or more.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

03/27/2008 11:13:05 AM · #80

Originally posted by msieglerfr:

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there is no better...but one is cheaper and the other one is more expensive

DigitalDarrell ignores two issues that affect the "quality" of a FF sensor versus a crop sensor:

1) Diffraction: Cramming the same number of pixels into a crop sensor as you have in a FF sensor leads hitting diffraction limits at a larger apertures. This is going to be an on-going battle for the Bayer design we currently use because everyone wants more pixels, but more pixels equates to lower quality.

2) The smaller the sensor site, the less light it gathers (the less photons hit the site). Correspondingly fewer photons equals less voltage equals smaller signal-to-noise ratio. Again, the camera manufacturers are working through ways of reducing the noise and/or covering it up. But there are limits.

Both of these issues translate to higher quality images coming out of a FF sensor and that's what makes the Canon 5D (currently alone in its market) such a sweet camera for its price range.

Now, if you're a sport shooter and need long lenses, then by all means, the crop sensor makes a lot of sense. But if your a portrait photographer shooting large families, you'll give an arm and a leg to have a FF sensor as compared to a crop sensor. The two sensor types hit two very different markets. And people in the two different camps tend to ignore the needs of the other (sport shooters can't understand why anyone would want a FF sensor, and portrait photographers can't understand why people still hold onto their crop sensors). That's just the way it is.

Tez

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

03/27/2008 11:24:44 AM · #81

I totally agree. And there is a BIG difference in the quality between my 400d and my friend's 5d, using exactly the same lens. A thread was recently created here extolling the virtues of full frame capabilities and i'm looking forward to making the move.

Like you said, it makes much more sense for sports and wildlife guys to use the crop factor to get the extra reach you wouldn't get otherwise but i think for general purpose stuff, FF is the way to go.

I'll be getting a 5d as soon as i find one in my price range. Anyone selling theirs?

03/27/2008 12:32:20 PM · #82

Originally posted by Tez:

. . .
I'll be getting a 5d as soon as i find one in my price range. Anyone selling theirs?

You can buy quarter of my 20D if you want :- )

I might see about renting a 5D for a month and seeing how I get on with it. When I have held them at shows etc I have always liked the feel of them, but it does knock over 200mm (effective range) from my 100-400 . . and there are many times I would like that lens to be even longer than it is . . tough decisions ahead.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

03/27/2008 02:27:50 PM · #83

See... that's why I held onto my 20D when I got the 5D. I wanted both solutions. :-)

(now shooting the Mark III instead of the 20D, but still a good combo)

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

03/27/2008 03:10:08 PM · #84

Originally posted by dwterry:

See... that's why I held onto my 20D when I got the 5D. I wanted both solutions. :-)

(now shooting the Mark III instead of the 20D, but still a good combo)

Fair point - in reality I wouldn't even bother trying to sell the 20D anyway as I doubt there is much of a call for it secondhand, so I guess I would be in a similar position.

Only problem is deciding which body to take with you when you go out for a walk :- )

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

03/27/2008 03:14:07 PM · #85

that's so sexy

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

03/27/2008 04:57:12 PM · #86

Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:

Originally posted by Azrifel:
Sony is going to start mass producing 35mm sensor by the end of this year for prosumer dSLR's..... Prices will drop soon.

But it's Sony.... lol. I don't even know who makes the sensor in my camera XD

Sony makes the sensors for every Nikon dSLR except the D2h.
Sony even made and maybe still makes the sensors for Canon point and shoots.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

03/27/2008 05:02:34 PM · #87

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by Azrifel:
Sony is going to start mass producing 35mm sensor by the end of this year for prosumer dSLR's..... Prices will drop soon.

For who? Canon makes their own.

Sony wants a piece of the midbudget fullframe market and is going to produce for its own fullframe prosumer. A 24mp fullframe that is. From what I understand they will use a new manufacturing process which has a better yield than the traditional one.

Maybe Nikon will use the Sony sensor that currently sits in the D3 for a D300x or something, but I doubt they (Nikon) will make one soon. Or they can also use the one that Sony wants to use and will sell to Pentax. They will sell to Nikon, because Nikon sells a lot better then Sony.

Bugzeye

03/27/2008 06:22:19 PM · #88

I believe that Nikon has produced their own sensor for the D3 as well.

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Sony makes the sensors for every Nikon dSLR except the D2h.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

03/27/2008 06:39:51 PM · #89

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

I believe that Nikon has produced their own sensor for the D3 as well.

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Sony makes the sensors for every Nikon dSLR except the D2h.

Design by Nikon, manufacturing by Sony.

Bugzeye

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

03/27/2008 07:50:11 PM · #90

ah yeah I remember that now.

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I believe that Nikon has produced their own sensor for the D3 as well.

Originally posted by Azrifel:

Sony makes the sensors for every Nikon dSLR except the D2h.

Design by Nikon, manufacturing by Sony.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

03/27/2008 07:56:14 PM · #91

Originally posted by Jedusi:

Originally posted by Tez:
. . .
I'll be getting a 5d as soon as i find one in my price range. Anyone selling theirs?

You can buy quarter of my 20D if you want :- )

I might see about renting a 5D for a month and seeing how I get on with it. When I have held them at shows etc I have always liked the feel of them, but it does knock over 200mm (effective range) from my 100-400 . . and there are many times I would like that lens to be even longer than it is . . tough decisions ahead.

It really doesn't knock anything off your lens, it is just cropping the frame. You can get beautiful crops with the 5D, and get back to where you were.

msieglerfr

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

03/28/2008 03:04:32 AM · #92

Originally posted by cloudsme:

Originally posted by Jedusi:

Originally posted by Tez:
. . .
I'll be getting a 5d as soon as i find one in my price range. Anyone selling theirs?

You can buy quarter of my 20D if you want :- )

I might see about renting a 5D for a month and seeing how I get on with it. When I have held them at shows etc I have always liked the feel of them, but it does knock over 200mm (effective range) from my 100-400 . . and there are many times I would like that lens to be even longer than it is . . tough decisions ahead.

It really doesn't knock anything off your lens, it is just cropping the frame. You can get beautiful crops with the 5D, and get back to where you were.

But certainly not with the same resolution!, cropping is certainly not a word that I like, and when I shoot, I always tend to minimize cropping.

I personally do not see any reason to change from half naked to FF sensors at the moment. IMO, the 5D is not that interesting to use at longer focal lenghts. A FF sensor will become interesting when the pixel density will reach that of a the smaller sensors, which means 24 and higher MP...It is coming, but see the price!

In the field of FF sensors, I think Nikon was wise while introducing the FX format. Of course, the D3 has not 'enough' MP at the moment to compensate the loss of pixel when using DX lenses, but this problem is going to fade out as time goes...

Although not being a FF user (yet), I am glad that other companies are going for it. I hope there will be more competition in the next few years...Canon has no longer the monopoly, which is good...(I would have said the same if it was another company).

Message edited by author 2008-03-28 04:30:47.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/18/2008 03:59:13 PM · #93

here is the latest rumour link

Any comments from our German speaking community ?

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

04/18/2008 04:10:44 PM · #94

It's hard to read because it's small. Roughly translated:

"available in June 2008...16 megapixels...6.5 fps...Digic III...small, unobtrusive, light, robust, weatherproof construction."

Message edited by author 2008-04-18 16:12:09.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/18/2008 04:12:25 PM · #95

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

It's hard to read because it's small. Roughly translated:

"available in June 2008...16 megapixels...6.5 fps...Digic III...small, unobtrusive, light, robust, weathersealed construction."

A German speaker as well ??

is there no end to your talent ?

:- )

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

04/18/2008 04:43:53 PM · #96

Originally posted by Jedusi:

is there no end to your talent ?

:- )

Nein ;)

It's not that useful. Nobody ran into the ER during residency screaming, "DOES ANYBODY SPEAK GERMAN?!?"

Message edited by author 2008-04-18 16:44:31.

OmanOtter

04/24/2008 06:51:50 AM · #97

Well, April 22 has come and gone. Anybody here hear anything about the 5D Mark II?

Message edited by author 2008-04-24 08:27:01.

Ken

Canon EOS-7D

04/24/2008 07:28:20 AM · #98

There was no announcement on Canon's website at the end of the 22nd, so it sounds like another false rumor.

Tez