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03/15/2008 11:18:26 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
I've noticed that sometimes when voting, I am influenced by overall DPC standards, and I find my votes being what I think they will ultimately land at, rather than what I personally think the shot is worth. This narrows the score range and is unfair to the other entrants. I have to consciously try to make sure my votes are my own votes and not my interpretation of the averaged DPC vote.
Just wondering if this occurs with anyone else and is perhaps part of the issue with voting trends that some have brought up. (I do realize that some statistics show there is no trend.) |
To get back to the OP's question...
I understand what you're saying. There is a tendency, for most people I suspect, to want to pick the "winner" (everyone wants to think they know a winner when they see one). Often this may come at the expense of images that the voter "personally" prefers.
It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. |
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03/15/2008 11:23:08 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
I would rather be voted on by those who use "8" as an average. |
This remark reminds me of the performance rating system when I was in the Air Force. An average performer had to be rated like he was walked on water, because the system was so inflated. If you rated an average person as average, he was then perceived as substandard, because the system was so inflated, and nobody wanted hurt someone's career with an honest eval. I suspect the system is still that way.
That may not have any real bearing on the topic, but it jogged my memory on that.
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03/16/2008 12:30:39 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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Just exactly do you arrive at the conclusion that this person's voting mentality is illogical and nonconstructive? The mere fact that his views and voting patterns differ from yours to not make them less valuable, nor do they as you suggest defy logic... they are merely different.
We are not a collection of lemmings that should follow blindly, regardless of the presence of the precipice... and like it or not, some have the fortitude to march to their own drum.
Zeuszen may be harsh... but one thing for certain he is consistent... and that factor, (from my perspective) validates whatever score he chooses to mete out.
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What makes it illogical and nonconstructive? The sheer volume. I fully appreciate/respect/understand the breadth and depth of personal taste and I'm not for a second suggesting everyone likes the same images (lemmings). What is bothering me is that there appear to be a small number of people with relatively unique taste who vote purely on taste without any consideration or concession for technical merit or execution. I can even understand it as a voting behaviour on occasion but for over 12k votes?? Sorry, but that is beyond reasonable to me. I just cannot understand the value or contribution to the submitter of the photograph, or to DPC for this "extremist" vote.
And that's where we disagree I think. You see the consistency as validation and I see it as unreasonable behaviour. Without sparking another objective v subjective thread, I would like to think that any artist/photographer/photospod on this site would at least have some kind of integrity in respect of appreciation and thought for the photographic/artistic process - not just "sh!t photo, 1" "don't like cars, 2" "boring drops, 1" "iceberg, 3". After 12k votes they can't ALL be that crap. The sheer volume of disagreeing votes supports this. Ergo this type of voting is unnecessarily harsh, irrespective of taste.
Right...it's 4.27am here and I have to be underneath the London Eye at 10am. There's nothing wrong with disagreement and unique taste, just not consistently and harshly otherwise no matter how valid it appears, it doesn't really help anyone.
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03/16/2008 12:41:31 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
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Just exactly do you arrive at the conclusion that this person's voting mentality is illogical and nonconstructive? The mere fact that his views and voting patterns differ from yours to not make them less valuable, nor do they as you suggest defy logic... they are merely different.
We are not a collection of lemmings that should follow blindly, regardless of the presence of the precipice... and like it or not, some have the fortitude to march to their own drum.
Zeuszen may be harsh... but one thing for certain he is consistent... and that factor, (from my perspective) validates whatever score he chooses to mete out.
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After 12k votes they can't ALL be that crap. The sheer volume of disagreeing votes supports this. Ergo this type of voting is unnecessarily harsh, irrespective of taste.
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Sorry, but just because a lot more people vote an image high does not make all the lower votes wrong. It just means they are different. How do you know that the low votes aren't based on merit? You don't. |
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03/16/2008 01:04:06 AM · #55 |
| I usually never give lower than a 4. Unless I have no choice to do so sometimes. I basically vote 4-9, thinking art is not faulty enough to rate a piece of work a 1 or 2. Giving out 10's are rare too, since there is no such thing as a perfect photo, but if your voting according to the given challenge, then 10's only mean a photo is the best image of the challenge, and not in general. |
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03/16/2008 04:27:54 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Sorry, but just because a lot more people vote an image high does not make all the lower votes wrong. It just means they are different. How do you know that the low votes aren't based on merit? You don't. |
Basic numbers tell me that all 12k votes can't all be based on merit (as you put it - i'm assuming you mean valid, or similar) - unless he's just so amazingly unlucky that the last 12k photos that he's picked out to vote on have been poor (1,2,3 kind of poor) photographs, but I doubt it, and the rest of DPC's voting doesn't support it either. And as I said earlier, what's the value to DPC users in receiving votes from individuals with such extreme and unique taste?
Also, you are generalising the argument - "just because a lot more people vote an image high does not make all the lower votes wrong". I don't disagree with you...this is about a specific case, or tiny subset of DPC voters who vote in the same way that Zeus does over a long time and many votes.
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03/16/2008 04:45:02 PM · #57 |
| It's all a big dumb witch hunt...it really is. |
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03/16/2008 06:40:32 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
What is bothering me is that there appear to be a small number of people with relatively unique taste who vote purely on taste without any consideration or concession for technical merit or execution. I can even understand it as a voting behaviour on occasion but for over 12k votes?? Sorry, but that is beyond reasonable to me. I just cannot understand the value or contribution to the submitter of the photograph, or to DPC for this "extremist" vote. |
I much rather get a 4 or a 5 from someone like zeuszen than a 10 from a newbie who thought I invented the color wheel. Ok, lame joke but I think you get my point. If there's a problem at all it's the newbie vote since they far outnumber those people handing out 1s. In my opinion they make up a very large percentage of the voters and they seem to only care about wow factor and challenge relevancy. I can't say I blame them because everyone goes thru that stage where everything is "kewl" the first time you see something. Unfortunately though the result is the same old images doing well every time the challenge theme allows it. I find that more troubling than an educated voter handing out a 1 to a technically flawless photo because it lacked creativity, originality and was completely devoid of a soul. |
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