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03/11/2008 12:09:26 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Just to summarise; DPC is falling apart, but it's not falling apart. Side challenges are good, but they're not good. The OP wants to start his own website, but he doesn't want to start his own website. And most importantly the OP is happy here, but he's not happy here. |
-I didn't say DPC is falling apart... I said it might in the future
-Site challenges are good, but too many of them might be symptoms of something is wrong
-I am going to start website but it won't compete with DPC
-I am happy here and I would like to keep it that. That's the whole point is starting argument ;) |
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03/11/2008 12:14:19 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by levyj413:
...All kinds of poor communication going on over the course of FP's many threads. |
I do have that problem :/ I don't remember what I said before. I probably thought no one even bother to track it ;) All I know is to say something about things I think should be heard... Hey, other threads start with same concept but with different subjects (sometimes they also repeat) |
Knowing yourself is a start. And yes, it's very easy to go back and see what you said before. Others do it, so you might want to do it yourself, to check what you said earlier.
But for the record, I meant many people were using poor communication, not just you. It's a natural result of written discussion, where there's little possibility of body language, tone of voice, etc. taking the harshness out of the words. And that's where your language barrier hurts you; because you can't rely on non-language communication, and you're not familiar with the subtle differences in English words, I think it's easy for your meaning to be taken as harsher than you mean to speak.
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 12:32:59.
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03/11/2008 12:17:12 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
But for the record, I meant many people were using poor communication, not just you. It's a natural result of written discussion, where there's little possibility of body language, tone of voice, etc. taking the harshness out of the words. And that's where your language barrier hurts you because you can't rely on non-language communication, and you're not familiar with the subtle differences in English words, I think it's easy for your meaning to be taken as harsher than you mean tos speak. |
Very very true :( I am much better talking person to person... at least that's what people says around me :(
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 12:17:38. |
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03/11/2008 01:41:52 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by albc28:
Originally posted by _eug:
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Stop hogging all the popcorn.....pass it over here! |
Man, I need some of that, too. It's like seeing a car crash. I just can't look away . |
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03/11/2008 01:47:17 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Site challenges are good (I assume you mean "side" challenges?), but too many of them might be symptoms of something is wrong... |
I am not sure I agree with this. From my perspective the side challenges are an indicator that something is right The way I see it, we have this wonderful, active site that allows people to essentially create their own niche involvements in it for themselves and like-minded individuals. The niches are continually morphing as participants come and go and as enthusiasm for the particular "topic" waxes and wanes.
I don't see how DPC could officially keep up with all of this; it would be SO cumbersome to continually try to create on-demand, "official" challenges where a few people want them out of the thousands registered. I think they system is working quite well right now. I think anything (related to photography) that increases daily activity on the site is good for the site as a whole.
R.
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03/11/2008 01:49:49 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by redjulep:
Originally posted by albc28:
Originally posted by _eug:
- grabs some popcorn |
-Stop hogging all the popcorn.....pass it over here! |
-Man, I need some of that, too |
There... enough for everyone ;)
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03/11/2008 01:53:18 PM · #57 |
Personally, I love side challenges, as they provide another level of motivation to go out there and shoot, and shoot more consistently than i normally would. And they force me to try out challenges that I would otherwise pass over because of lack of interest. I don't see how they can be anything but good for the site.
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03/11/2008 02:06:19 PM · #58 |
As I reread the thread I understand that Leo was just trying to get a discussion going. He's just trying to get a debate started over the pros and cons of the side challenges. It apparently has worked.
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03/11/2008 02:09:34 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
As I reread the thread I understand that Leo was just trying to get a discussion going. He's just trying to get a debate started over the pros and cons of the side challenges. It apparently has worked. |
I think that's the reason I started this in "General discussion"... and yes it did work.
Conclusion, "Leo, don't bother. We all are happy the things they are"
like it was before... and I let go :) |
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03/11/2008 02:59:02 PM · #60 |
NOT SO FAST, brothers and sisters. Did no one catch this nifty item in  FocusPoint's initial post?
That maybe DPC "needs side challenges, and maybe many of them. But most of them done by other people, using external spreadsheets and calculation, and voting systems(!)"
Struck terror into my non-linear soul, it did. The side challenges are pure challenge; the official challenges are contests. |
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03/11/2008 03:13:59 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by tnun:
NOT SO FAST, brothers and sisters. Did no one catch this nifty item in FocusPoint's initial post?
That maybe DPC "needs side challenges, and maybe many of them. But most of them done by other people, using external spreadsheets and calculation, and voting systems(!)"
Struck terror into my non-linear soul, it did. The side challenges are pure challenge; the official challenges are contests. |
Well, I am glad that someone else pointed that out, rather than me lol |
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03/11/2008 03:18:22 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Struck terror into my non-linear soul, it did. The side challenges are pure challenge; the official challenges are contests. |
Amen, brother! I've learned so much from the side challenges; folks are willing to challenge themselves: experiment, be creative, be vulnerable, and share with the rest of us how they accomplished what they did. To me, this is priceless :-)
edited to fix quote I messed up :-)
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 15:20:25. |
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03/11/2008 03:36:48 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by tnun:
...The side challenges are pure challenge; the official challenges are contests. |
Just had to ask you... Why?
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 15:40:44. |
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03/11/2008 03:49:37 PM · #64 |
FocusPoint since you specifically mentioned DPL, FSM, PR, and DPC Olympics I would like to ask how these side challenges could negatively effect DPChallenge.com or Split the community? Since all rely on Challenges Posted by DPChallenge.com.
I'm trying to comprehend your OP.
ETA: Or am I not understanding your OP?
Sorry if I seem slow to comprehend today...a lot going on.
SDW
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 15:57:24. |
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03/11/2008 04:02:01 PM · #65 |
(Bumped)
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 16:22:28. |
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03/11/2008 04:16:11 PM · #66 |
| Why what? Don't get your reference, FP. |
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03/11/2008 04:21:49 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Why what? Don't get your reference, FP. |
Why do you think "the side challenges are pure challenge; the official challenges are contests?" I think I asked that because you find side challenges more entertaining, and this leads to question why are they more entertaining.
If I misunderstood you let me know... and I apologize if I did. |
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03/11/2008 04:22:34 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by SDW:
FocusPoint since you specifically mentioned DPL, FSM, PR, and DPC Olympics I would like to ask how these side challenges could negatively effect DPChallenge.com or Split the community? Since all rely on Challenges Posted by DPChallenge.com.
I'm trying to comprehend your OP. |
Not at all... I truly would like DPL be back as soon as possible. FSM is a nice challenge as well; it uses current DPC FS challenge. and others as well.
Many other smaller challenges started, and there is a reason for that. I think main reason, boredom (I know many people would think I start threads like this because of boredom but not true). My second reason if I may put here is the voting system... still don't understand 1's and 2's in excellent photos, and last is the lack of ideas IMO and many others I believe. I hate to use "I" all the time, but it starts with that and see if anyone agrees.
So, I agree that side challenges are probably more exciting, better teaching.. etc. We came here to join and put our images to DPC.... and after a while, after many rants, some of us changed route. Now, this place started look like a general meeting place for side challenges...
Ok, Lets say that's fine too. If Side Challenges would be like that huge, let's have a default, customizable database that any members can create a spreadsheet to put their own side challenge votes... etc.
If that happens, now we started loose the pure DPC concept.
What I honestly (here that "I" again) would like to see is an entertaining DPC, that gives us verity and accuracy (I had this idea of a few times a year judged challenges) to enjoy more in one group or larger groups, instead of "smaller" groups.
As I said (I think I said it before, since I talk about it too much), it really doesn't matter, if it's going to be what it is going to be, then be it (!!) |
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03/11/2008 04:42:02 PM · #69 |
What you miss is that the results of all the side challenges are determined by the votes received by DPC. The side challenges need the DPC contests to funtion.
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03/11/2008 04:44:36 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by SDW:
FocusPoint since you specifically mentioned DPL, FSM, PR, and DPC Olympics I would like to ask how these side challenges could negatively effect DPChallenge.com or Split the community? |
The risk of friend voting or malicious voting does go up with having these outside competitions. We saw examples of it in the WPL. I think the benefits outweigh the risks, but those risks do exist.
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03/11/2008 04:53:31 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
What you miss is that the results of all the side challenges are determined by the votes received by DPC. The side challenges need the DPC contests to funtion. |
I do realize that. It's good that most of us use DPC challanges for those. As DrAchoo mentioned, there might be "some" foul play, but it was not my point. My point is to make this place more enjoyable keeping DPC concept. Some of the side challenges have their own photo entries in thread posts I believe.
That's why I am not against DPL, FSM or Olympics... DPL is (was) controlled, official side challange.
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 16:54:17. |
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03/11/2008 05:52:03 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by neophyte:
What you miss is that the results of all the side challenges are determined by the votes received by DPC. The side challenges need the DPC contests to funtion. |
I do realize that. It's good that most of us use DPC challanges for those. As DrAchoo mentioned, there might be "some" foul play, but it was not my point. My point is to make this place more enjoyable keeping DPC concept. Some of the side challenges have their own photo entries in thread posts I believe.
That's why I am not against DPL, FSM or Olympics... DPL is (was) controlled, official side challange. |
Can I assume your referring to side challenges like the current "Macro Side Challenge'. If so, these are usually suggested by one individual, several people jump on board and want to learn. They usually do not submit any of the shots to challenges (at least not en masse). They get feedback from the rest of the registered side challengers swapping comments. From what I see that fits in with DPC in that it's providing training and education for those that want to jump in and learn that particular style, concept, processing, etc.
ETA: I haven't joined one of the side challenges since I do not have the time to shoot every day, especially to saturate a subject for a month. I wish I did have time. Having followed many of them you can see the improvement of some of the participants from the beginning of posting shots to the end of the challenge.
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 17:56:48. |
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03/11/2008 06:02:59 PM · #73 |
Some confusion here. I was referring to side challenges that had nothing to do with leagues and teams. And yet I am truly annoyed that FocusPoint does not take the trouble to express himself better. Every time I think I understand what he is saying he wiggles away. At the moment I suspect he just wants more order and discipline and Big Brother, but the popcorn is getting really stale.
BTW side challenges are not mere entertainment for me, but a way to develop as both photographer and appreciator of photography, not that I don't use the voted challenges in a similar way. |
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03/11/2008 06:04:31 PM · #74 |
DPC works, it has done for 6 years!
Side challenges work cos people want to do something different, other than DPC challenges.
DPC challenges work cos we are all egotists, we want great scores, but deep inside we know that ain't gonna happen.
What's the problem? Want to change things here? Don't bother. We all gripe, whinge and moan about everything, but DPC works fine for all of us! Two options, be happy here the way it is, or don't be happy!! |
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03/11/2008 06:20:24 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by tnun:
...but the popcorn is getting really stale.... |
You gots popcorn!? I ran out of popcorn several hours ago... Could I please have some popcorn...even the stale, crunchy bits would be welcome until my pizza is ready. :) |
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