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 02/28/2008 01:54:26 PM · #76
If this has already been posted, I apologize. This is the shot that immediately came to mind when I saw this challenge. (Didn't enter as I didn't have anything cool that was black and white.)
This shot was 5th. They are all color and you can tell they are color, but they are black and white in color.
As usual and as should be...this is subjectivity to the max. (Gotta love DPC!!) :P
 02/28/2008 01:57:31 PM · #77
I think it's reasonable to assume there should be zero color. Almost every photo you take has at least a tiny shadow and very little bit of white somewhere within what could be called "the subject". This wasn't meant to be a free study.

I'm breaking my own rule by posting this as I believe these discussions hurt voting and shouldn't be discussed ... but to think that this issue is black and white (pun intended) is unfair to the original poster.

Obviously, the voters always win ... so the masses will be right no matter what the result of this thread.
 02/28/2008 02:06:31 PM · #78
Originally posted by hopper:
I think it's reasonable to assume there should be zero color.

I think it's reasonable to assume the entry should generally look like a B&W photo, but a little color won't hurt (as evidenced by the two top-5 entries Bergiekat posted), however that interpretation is only one of several. To each his own.
02/28/2008 02:11:03 PM · #79
Perhaps we need a new challenge: Average Joe Taking Crap Photo with Walmart Camera. This would present interpretive difficulties as Average Joe seems to be as elusive as God, and I don't think Walmart has its own branded camera. DNMCs should be given with abandon.
 02/28/2008 02:18:32 PM · #80
This thread explians the almost full point drop in my score.
 02/28/2008 02:20:28 PM · #81
Originally posted by hopper:
I think it's reasonable to assume there should be zero color. Almost every photo you take has at least a tiny shadow and very little bit of white somewhere within what could be called "the subject". This wasn't meant to be a free study.

I'm breaking my own rule by posting this as I believe these discussions hurt voting and shouldn't be discussed ... but to think that this issue is black and white (pun intended) is unfair to the original poster.

Obviously, the voters always win ... so the masses will be right no matter what the result of this thread.


Everyone concedes that the voter has the final say in the matter. Having the final say, however, doesn't make a decision reasonable. If a voter gave a 1 to every panning entry that didn't have some sort of frying pan in it I would call that unreasonable. Same issue here; if voters give low scores to entries that have color in the background then that seems unreasonable to me given the challenge criterion. Do we have a right as voters to be unreasonable? Sure.

(BTW: I'm not in this chalenge.)
 02/28/2008 02:20:34 PM · #82
Originally posted by scarbrd:
This thread explians the almost full point drop in my score.

I got a comment on how great the color is, and mine is one of the ones that is fully gray scale. lol
 02/28/2008 02:22:08 PM · #83
Originally posted by tnun:
Perhaps we need a new challenge: Average Joe Taking Crap Photo with Walmart Camera. This would present interpretive difficulties as Average Joe seems to be as elusive as God, and I don't think Walmart has its own branded camera. DNMCs should be given with abandon.


ROFLMFAO!! Extra points for RiteAid cameras.
(edit to add an A to acronym)

Message edited by author 2008-02-28 14:23:01.
 02/28/2008 02:22:42 PM · #84
I don't vote.
 02/28/2008 02:25:31 PM · #85
Originally posted by marttila:
... If a voter gave a 1 to every panning entry that didn't have some sort of frying pan in it I would call that unreasonable. ...

I'd call it "scrubbed". :-P
 02/28/2008 02:28:56 PM · #86
Originally posted by marttila:
If a voter gave a 1 to every panning entry that didn't have some sort of frying pan in it ...
(BTW: I'm not in this chalenge.)


Oops :D

02/28/2008 02:29:29 PM · #87
Originally posted by Zeuss:
... Buying a camera at Wal-Mart and posting a snapshot shouldn't be qualifications to vote.

I understand the context of your comment, but imagine the reaction of the believers of that sentiment when they come to realize that the only requirement is registration. No camera or snapshot is needed...

But, back on topic: I'll admit that I struggled to find a suitable way to make my image appear all B/W, then entered "Color..." instead. After reading this thread, I now interpret the challenge as B&W/grayscale subject as the goal. I've reviewed my votes to see my votes were negatively color skewed . I believe they aren't.

...and I'm still having fun, yet.
 02/28/2008 03:00:44 PM · #88
I always had interpreted black and white as a theme, not a rule, so I think if you look at a photo and it has a bit of color in it, but you still say to yourself "i really like the way they used black and white in this" then the photo meets the challenge.
i'm in the challenge and my photo has a touch of color in it...
my two cents
 02/28/2008 03:02:34 PM · #89
i accept both interpretations of the challenge and will not score one interpretation over the other. as long as the main subject is b&w or the whole photo, then it is not dnmc.

i don't understand how such a creative group of people can insist on interpreting the descriptions so literally. it's nitpicking.
 02/28/2008 03:26:32 PM · #90
Originally posted by desertoddity:
i don't understand how such a creative group of people can insist on interpreting the descriptions so literally. it's nitpicking.


Agreed!

Its ART!
02/28/2008 03:29:33 PM · #91
I'm going to avoid the controversy in this issue by letting my mother-in-law's cat vote in my place. I heard somewhere that cat's see in black & white.

02/28/2008 03:30:27 PM · #92
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'm going to avoid the controversy in this issue by letting my mother-in-law's cat vote in my place. I heard somewhere that cat's see in black & white.


Damn you Slippy. Why did you let her use her pussy to vote. Now Im down by 1 whole point. GRRR
 02/28/2008 03:30:44 PM · #93
Originally posted by Strikeslip:



Does this meet the challenge?

HA!
 02/28/2008 03:35:56 PM · #94
scalvert sneaks catnip under the 10 button...
 02/28/2008 03:45:05 PM · #95
I believe the confusion on this stems from the second line in the description;

"Conversion/desaturation to black and white or shooting in black and white is NOT allowed."

Had that not been stated I think all of us might have understood the challenge better. Or perhaps the statement leads one (on purpose) to think that the challenge is to create a photo, in color (colour), that depicts a black and white photo. But given that there has already been a challenge of this name everyone had a good idea what the task was.

As always, the voters have the final say and whatever they think it's about will determine your score (and mine).
 02/28/2008 03:48:28 PM · #96
I think the challenge topic was very clear.
Shoot a black and white shot in color.

Which means, your subject are white and black. No color. But a little color I guess is acceptable...I mean, it adds a little spice. :P

Message edited by author 2008-02-28 16:05:00.
 02/28/2008 04:02:35 PM · #97
Originally posted by kleski:
I believe the confusion on this stems from the second line in the description;

"Conversion/desaturation to black and white or shooting in black and white is NOT allowed."

Had that not been stated I think all of us might have understood the challenge better.

The description is exactly the same as the last time this challenge ran (and it had been reworded after the announcement that time for clarity). Not only is the description the same, so is the ensuing debate. The original post from one of several threads on the subject back then:

Originally posted by KevinG:
There are sooooooo many DNMC photos in this challenge - how hard is it for people to understand that everything in the photo needs to be black or white????

Originally posted by scalvert:
Really? Where does it say "everything"...?

Originally posted by Konador:
Where exactly does it say everything has to be?


:-/
 02/28/2008 04:52:12 PM · #98
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'm going to avoid the controversy in this issue by letting my mother-in-law's cat vote in my place. I heard somewhere that cat's see in black & white.


HEY!! No pet posts!! There's a challenge going on!!

j/k ;)
 02/28/2008 04:53:53 PM · #99
Originally posted by oscarthepig:
Originally posted by marttila:
If a voter gave a 1 to every panning entry that didn't have some sort of frying pan in it ...
(BTW: I'm not in this chalenge.)


Oops :D



Yes Oscar, yours was the one I had in mind :P
I'll give it a 10! (Oh, the voting's over?)
 02/28/2008 04:58:15 PM · #100
Okay I ususually don't participate in these discussions but this one is interesting. Each of us read the challenge and decide for ourselves what is required to meet the challenge. Some felt the entire photo had to be appear B&W others read it to be only the subject, other have said they showed color so people would know it was shot in color and not B&W, some felt that because some photos with color in a prior challenge did well that it would be acceptable again.

For this site I think if you are questioning what is meant by a challenge and you want to score well, take the most restrictive view. In this case it would be to make the entire picture appear B&W. This takes away any chance of your recieving DNMC low votes.

If you read the challenge as just limiting the "subject" to black and white, I, like others, question if there is a picture of an animal (for example) which is the "subject" of the picture and the eyes are color, is the "subject" really B&W or is this just selective desaturization?

If you showed some color just to show it was shot in color, I have to ask why? The challenge states if you violated the rules in this challenge you would be DQ'd. Consequently I assume everyone shot the picture in color unless they have been DQ'd.

Lastly, what relevence does what did well in prior challenges have on the current challenge. Over time I've seen this site develop and what did well in the past doesn't necessarily do well now.

Just my opion for what it is worth and that isn't much.
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