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02/26/2008 03:26:55 PM · #1 |
Sometimes we think there are lots of people on earth... Too much people? How many can we grow to?
Well, here is something to think about if you already did not realize.
About 100 years ago, which is 10 decades and it's a very short time... there were around 4 BILLION people... and they all dead now. Today, calculating everyone from 0 to 100+ age groups, we have about 7 BILLION roughly population and they all be gone around 100 years... not much.
If we stop producing babies, for some reason... we are in deep trouble. That's why we have to expend to make those numbers a bit wider. Such as, finding other planets to colonize... I think that would be one of the biggest steps. What's next, after 50 planets, should we say "Stop the craziness, we are going out of control"... no, there are BILLIONS of stars and BILLIONS of BILILIONS of planets.
At the end, what would happen? We don't know of course, but if the theories are true, the universe should expend so large, no star would be bale to each other...
Why this subject? I don't know. Maybe we should realize how short our lives and our existence are... and try to enjoy the time we have now, instead of harming each other. People to people? that's horrible, yet, what I say right now unfortunately comes stupid to some... hopefully not to "most".
FP
Message edited by author 2008-02-26 16:58:17. |
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02/26/2008 03:32:46 PM · #2 |
| Me thinks you need to do some editing to make this more comprehensible. |
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02/26/2008 03:33:18 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Me thinks you need to do some editing to make this more comprehensible. |
Uhm... well thinking... would you mind helping? |
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02/26/2008 03:48:57 PM · #4 |
You make the statement that if we stop having babies "we are in deep trouble". Why do you feel this population growth is so necessary? What requirements are these greater numbers fulfilling?
If we saw a 50% decline in global numbers over the next 100 years, we would be better able to sustain the populous. |
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02/26/2008 03:55:49 PM · #5 |
and maybe my kids and grandkids wouldnt have to support the welfare babies!
Originally posted by signal2noise:
If we saw a 50% decline in global numbers over the next 100 years, we would be better able to sustain the populous. |
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02/26/2008 03:57:20 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by signal2noise:
You make the statement that if we stop having babies "we are in deep trouble". Why do you feel this population growth is so necessary? What requirements are these greater numbers fulfilling?
If we saw a 50% decline in global numbers over the next 100 years, we would be better able to sustain the populous. |
Plus there would be a reduction in Carbon Emissions and Global Warming. Less traffic on the roads, shops would easier to visit and with fewer customers/less demand, prices would have to fall!! |
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02/26/2008 03:58:43 PM · #7 |
| This is a very wide subject to discuss... If we can find the answer "why"? we probably achieve the "next level". Now, if you are a religious person, you already have some explanations, but not everyone believes things the way religions explain... |
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02/26/2008 04:03:43 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
This is a very wide subject to discuss... If we can find the answer "why"? we probably achieve the "next level". Now, if you are a religious person, you already have some explanations, but not everyone believes things the way religions explain... |
Can I ask you a question in all sincerity, Leo? Is English a second language for you? I don't understand what you're asking. Why what? Why are we overpopulated? How do we stop the overpopulation? And what next level? I'm really not mocking you, I just can't make sense of what you're trying to say. And what does religion have to do with overpopulation? |
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02/26/2008 04:57:52 PM · #9 |
Yes English is my second language, but I conceder as the first one.
This thread is not about over population. I was just wondering (in general) if anyone thought about these numbers. 4 Billion died, another 7 Billion in about 100 years. So, 200 years we are talking about 10 Billion people being gone. Very large numbers. Yes we will have maybe 12 billion in 100 years, but not the point.
Sometimes I look at an old photo, from 80 years in past... hundreds of people maybe a meeting or something, and say to myself "most, if not all, of those people are gone."
I donno. Just made me think we should not fight at all. We should live in peace and enjoy our time.
If I still don't make sense, don't worry... it's my language ;)
From the original post below:
"Why this subject? I don't know. Maybe we should realize how short our lives and our existence are... and try to enjoy the time we have now, instead of harming each other. People to people? that's horrible, yet, what I say right now unfortunately comes stupid to some... hopefully not to "most"."
Message edited by author 2008-02-26 17:10:06. |
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02/26/2008 05:03:52 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Yes English is my second language, but I conceder as the first one.
This thread is not about over population. I was just wondering (in general) if anyone thought about these numbers. 4 Billion died, another 7 Billion in about 100 years. So, 200 years we are talking about 10 Billion people being gone. Very large numbers. Yes we will have maybe 12 billion in 100 years, but not the point.
Sometimes I look at an old photo, from 80 years in past... hundreds of people maybe a meeting or something, and say to myself "most, if not all, of those people are gone."
I donno. Just made me think we should not fight at all. We should live in peace and enjoy our time.
If I still don't make sense, don't worry... that's ok, it's my language ;)
From original post below:
"Why this subject? I don't know. Maybe we should realize how short our lives and our existence are... and try to enjoy the time we have now, instead of harming each other. People to people? that's horrible, yet, what I say right now unfortunately comes stupid to some... hopefully not to "most"." |
I wish we could all live in peace, BUT, the world is greedy no matter how many people there are. There will always be those in power who wish to surpress everyone else. Those with the money control those without. Regardless of numbers, the big businesses will exploit the poor worker to make a profit, it is a shame that diamonds, gold and opals are worth so much to so few, that the workers are forced to work in dangerous conditions just to satisfy a few rich people! |
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02/26/2008 06:20:29 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
I wish we could all live in peace, BUT, the world is greedy no matter how many people there are. There will always be those in power who wish to surpress everyone else. Those with the money control those without. Regardless of numbers, the big businesses will exploit the poor worker to make a profit, it is a shame that diamonds, gold and opals are worth so much to so few, that the workers are forced to work in dangerous conditions just to satisfy a few rich people! |
Let's make greed a crime! |
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02/26/2008 07:20:55 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Let's make greed a crime! |
That concept is not exactly new ...
For the love of money is the root of all evil ...
-- Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10
although given the conditions of modern society, it's possible that this update may hit even nearer the mark
Lack of money is the root of all evil.
-- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)
Here's one more I found:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
-- Dwight David Eisenhower, 1953
Message edited by author 2008-02-26 19:27:37. |
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02/26/2008 08:23:12 PM · #13 |
the world, as we know it, will end dec 21, 2012. As we know it is defined as 75% of the worlds population will die.
There are several scenarios on how this will occur - but it will be a rather sudden event that starts it. Since most of the world is dependent on oil - and therefore other parts of the world for energy, food, goods, etc. it's most likely a major disruption will be hardest on this population.
The more rural and self reliant the population, the more likely they are to survive. in other words, we'll be gone in 5 years and osama bin laden will still be around, living in a cave in the mountains.
If you don't believe the rather substantial indicators to the above scenario, consider this:
The average american consumes enough food, goods and energy that it takes about 24 acres of good land to support the lifestyle. Dividing the earth's good land area by it's population shows that there is only 4.5 acres of land per person. As the 'third world' (china and india mainly) try to achieve the standard of living of the western world there will be a problem - not enough resources/land/food.
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02/26/2008 09:14:01 PM · #14 |
Population control is a must!
The more people on the planet, the more surface pressure is exerted, thus compacting the planet into a denser orb. If it continues, the density will affect the magnetic strength and in time will pull the moon out of it's orbit, sending it crashing into Earth, thus the end of life as we know it.
Or not. |
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02/26/2008 09:17:55 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Population control is a must!
The more people on the planet, the more surface pressure is exerted, thus compacting the planet into a denser orb. If it continues, the density will affect the magnetic strength and in time will pull the moon out of it's orbit, sending it crashing into Earth, thus the end of life as we know it.
Or not. |
I didnt think of that, you're right of course, the more people on the face of the planet means more weight that the earth has to support, eventually it will just drop out of the sky..
Your genius is immeasurable.
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02/26/2008 10:48:25 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Population control is a must!
The more people on the planet, the more surface pressure is exerted, thus compacting the planet into a denser orb. If it continues, the density will affect the magnetic strength and in time will pull the moon out of it's orbit, sending it crashing into Earth, thus the end of life as we know it.
Or not. |
No need for a long zoom then. Imagine the moon shots then. SWEET! |
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02/27/2008 12:11:05 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
-- Dwight David Eisenhower, 1953 |
That's excellent. Why can't our leaders come up with remarkable quotes like this anymore? Instead, you have GW saying things like, "We can't misunderestimate our enemies." [sic] |
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02/27/2008 12:19:03 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
the world, as we know it, will end dec 21, 2012. |
Can somebody bookmark this page and resurrect this thread on December 22, 2012? |
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02/27/2008 12:31:10 PM · #19 |
| I wonder when we'll run out of room to bury these bodies? I realize not everyone has the same burial customs as we do here in the US, but just think....7 billion 4'x6' plots of land....how many acres is that? :) |
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02/27/2008 12:57:07 PM · #20 |
ethanol = population control.
genetic tampering = self inflicted pandemic
mans' lust for recogition creates an enviroment lacking fore thought and thus inadvertantly sends man down a path of self-destruction. it's only a matter of time.
oh and we definately don't need more babies...
Message edited by author 2008-02-27 12:57:45.
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02/27/2008 01:14:54 PM · #21 |
Actually, we only hope we won't get any diseases that stop baby production... It won't take us to "dinosaur" in 100 years. Because there will be less doctors and less workers to produce medicine each year... It could be around 70 years maybe.
But think about it... 100 years ago, 1908, everyone is gone. Maybe 10 people living older than 100 yrs old? And about 100 years from now, 7 billion dead. Life is a war. Causalities, billions every 100 years.
(Above statement is only to reflect my thoughts. Call it "Loud thinking"; they are not aim to a person or group of people. So, don't try to understand them too much, if you don't agree, or don't understand what I say, move on. If you have questions, ask... Conversational thread) |
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02/27/2008 01:40:07 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
the world, as we know it, will end dec 21, 2012. |
Can somebody bookmark this page and resurrect this thread on December 22, 2012? |
From Wiki
Metaphysical predictions
2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.
Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:
* The 1995 book The Mayan Prophecies linked the Maya calendar with long-period sunspot cycles.
* The book 2012: Mayan Year of Destiny claims the Maya may have been instructed in their wisdom by disembodied entities from Orion and the Pleiades. Contact was maintained through shamanic rituals conducted in accordance with the movements of planets and stars. However, some Mayan priests living and working in Guatemala assert that there is no legitimacy to this theory.
* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The book The Nostradamus Code speaks of a series of natural disasters caused by a comet (possibly as above) that will allow the third Antichrist to disperse his troops around the globe under the guise of aid in preparation for a possible nuclear war, although in the strictest sense it is unspecific as to nuclear war or some other natural or man caused destruction.
* The book The Orion Prophecy claims that the Earth's magnetic field will reverse.
* The 2005 book Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Ecstasy by Geoff Stray reviews several theories, prophecies and predictions concerning 2012 and finds where authors have used faulty information or have bent the truth to fit their theories.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.
* The 2007 book Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation into Civilization's End by Lawrence Joseph does not make any specific new predictions, but it reviews a number of 2012 predictions made by various sources, and presents arguments for the possible existence of dangerous positive feedback loops involving solar storms, Earth's magnetic field, cosmic rays, hurricanes, global warming, earthquakes, and supervolcanoes that may be on the verge of erupting.
Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:
* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness.
* Some proponents of a peak oil catastrophe place major events in 2012. Richard C. Duncan's book The Peak of World Oil Production and the Road To The Olduvai Gorge claims that the Olduvai cliff will begin and permanent blackouts will occur worldwide. Several studies predict a peak in oil production in or around 2012.[14][15][16]
Also add in:
-I Ching ends in 2012. //survive2012.com/why_2012_fractal.php
-St Malachy in 1138 predicted every pope...there is only one more to go till the end of time //64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:TvDmBw6TH2sJ:www.biblebelievers.org.au/malachy.htm+malachy&hl=en
-Solar flare activity runs in 11 year cycles. The next active period peaks in 2012. Most solar flares are small. But even a small flare can be dangerous. In 1989 a flare hit the North American continent and fried electric lines, zapped power grids in the US and Canada, and created large power backouts. Flares can also effect our moods and physical health. In theory, a large flare impacting the Earth could zap the ionosphere (there goes all the satellites, cellphones, GPS...) and irradiate the surface, killing every living organism that it touched. //www.viewzone.com/endtime.html
-We're overdue for a magnetic pole shift here on earth. //www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/02/27/6900064_Magnet_Pole_Shift/
And there are other old and ancient civilizations that all seem to point to 2012 as an 'end time' or 'time of change'. You've seen what happens to grocery store shelves when a major storm is predicted, or just after one occurs - no food, perishables going first. The average american household has a weeks worth of food on hand. Have some large scale catastrophe that stops trains or boats or trucks for 10 days and we'll all be starving. ALL of us. Yeah, the civilized world is only about 10 days away from anarchy. The end of the world as we know it is indeed very possble.
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02/27/2008 01:47:19 PM · #23 |
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02/27/2008 04:45:15 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
2012 is sometimes claimed... |
All I have to say is.... c'maaawwwn... |
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02/27/2008 06:22:53 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Mulder:
I wonder when we'll run out of room to bury these bodies? I realize not everyone has the same burial customs as we do here in the US, but just think....7 billion 4'x6' plots of land....how many acres is that? :) |
cremation FTW |
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