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 02/22/2008 08:53:18 AM · #101


Gah.

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Message edited by author 2008-02-22 09:16:00.
 02/22/2008 09:15:20 AM · #102
If it makes you feel any better, I'm scoring an average of under 5 for three challenges; all are serious attempts. I'm contemplating swearing off challenges for a bit and simply having a "CNE" folder (Challenges Not Entered) in my portfolio instead. Oh, and my Leadings Lines with very definite leading lines (by my estimation anyway) is at a lovely 5.2.
 02/22/2008 09:21:14 AM · #103
Originally posted by Melethia:
If it makes you feel any better, I'm scoring an average of under 5 for three challenges; all are serious attempts. I'm contemplating swearing off challenges for a bit and simply having a "CNE" folder (Challenges Not Entered) in my portfolio instead. Oh, and my Leadings Lines with very definite leading lines (by my estimation anyway) is at a lovely 5.2.


I just wish the voters would be just a little bit more considerate in a challenge like Brown Ribbon, where it's all about improving an existing photograph. People again are just voting on pure aesthetics, which is understandable I guess, but is still very disappointing. I wish people could see the original photo and then the submission so that they can see the improvement and then vote accordingly.

I'm really quite proud of mine and really not proud of my Leading Lines entry (a nigh-on grabshot) - yet Leading Lines is doing 5.8 when I expected low 5 or a new PW - and my Brown Ribbon is doing 5.1....and the Brown Ribbon shot is better compositionally and technically in every way (and I don't think anyone would disagree if they were able to see the two next to each other). It makes no sense and I find it really frustrating for things to turn out the opposite of what I expected time and time again. How can I improve if I keep getting it wrong?

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 02/22/2008 09:31:24 AM · #104
Originally posted by Quasimojo:

I just wish the voters would be just a little bit more considerate in a challenge like Brown Ribbon, where it's all about improving an existing photograph. People again are just voting on pure aesthetics, which is understandable I guess, but is still very disappointing. I wish people could see the original photo and then the submission so that they can see the improvement and then vote accordingly.


agreed :) only so much you can do with a brown. though i'm sure there will still be some stellar entries.
 02/22/2008 09:38:39 AM · #105
The problem here is what I suggested earlier. The administrator should have created prgramming that added a box to input the photo ID # of the original on the submission page. That way both the submission and a clickable thumbnail could be displayed on the voting page.

02/22/2008 09:41:37 AM · #106
Originally posted by photodude:
The problem here is what I suggested earlier. The administrator should have created prgramming that added a box to input the photo ID # of the original on the submission page. That way both the submission and a clickable thumbnail could be displayed on the voting page.


I've only found 2 so far that were difficult to find. Most people have either titled the shot the same which makes it easy to search for in the photos section or they have included the image id...those who have made it impossible to find the original have also made it impossible for me to give them a decent vote as I have nothing to compare it to
 02/22/2008 09:46:20 AM · #107
There's one I found that doesn't seem to be a duplicate of a brown ribbon - or I did not search right. I'm wondering if there was a misunderstanding about what a brown ribbon actually is.
 02/22/2008 09:47:13 AM · #108
I feel your pain Quasi. FWIW, *I* look at the original images in ANY 'deja vu' type challenge, but it is obvious that MOST don't. I griped about it when this was the blue ribbon "replicating" this .

I'm the 3 vote on the blue ribbon shot. IMO, other than being a monkey, its not the same. Hell, its not even the same species of monkey! It IS a GREAT photo, don't get me wrong, but NOT a 'deja vu'.

:::sigh::: ok, i'm done.
 02/22/2008 10:04:45 AM · #109
ZeppKash, I've gotta chime in and say I think those two monkey photos look awfully similar, especially in terms of the angle and shape of the face. When I entered the ribbon Deja Vu challenge, I purposely changed the b/g color because I didn't want to exactly copy someone else's photo - it felt almost like I'd be stealing the original.

Now in the brown challenge, I figured it was pretty open to interpretation, as many of the original browns were either shoehorns, pretty hard to discern, or in the wrong challenge to begin with. However, given the amount of effort I've seen in some of the entries, I wish I'd done a more literal interpretation. And I hope the winner is someone who did.
 02/22/2008 10:13:09 AM · #110
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.
 02/22/2008 10:14:43 AM · #111
Originally posted by apashack:
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.


well then you aren't voting in the spirit of the challenge. the spirit of the challenge is to take a brown and change it to make it a winner. if you don't know what the original looks like, how can you tell how well the photographer has improved the original brown?
 02/22/2008 10:14:44 AM · #112
Originally posted by apashack:
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.


Without regard to the challenge details?
 02/22/2008 10:25:53 AM · #113
To each his own. I treated the challenge like this:
1: Meet the original challenge
2: Make some connection between the brown ribbon image and yours (this was harder than it seemed)
3: Create an image that would have scored much better (also see #1)

Originally posted by ZeppKash:
Originally posted by apashack:
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.


Without regard to the challenge details?
02/22/2008 10:33:49 AM · #114
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
I just wish the voters would be just a little bit more considerate in a challenge like Brown Ribbon, where it's all about improving an existing photograph. People again are just voting on pure aesthetics, which is understandable I guess, but is still very disappointing. ...

Hmmm. I'm kind of in the same camp. I was operating under the idea of taking a brown ribbon winner and doing my best to improve it, make it something that would have done been an "excellent" entry. Along those lines, I thought that the original challenge that the brown was from would be a consideration in meeting the objective of this challenge.

In other words, would the brown (as reworked now) be a top contender in the challenge it was originally submitted in?

Originally posted by challenge description:
"Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent."
 02/22/2008 10:34:34 AM · #115
After being involved with DPC for a while, I have found that if you care about high scores, you need to please more people. In other words, subtlety and images open to a great deal of interpretation or ambiguity may not do as well if some people don't "get" it. The thing is, the photog spends a great deal of time with the image so it's crystal clear to him/her what it's all about- but others won't necessarilly buy into it if it's not what they are 'expecting' unfortunately. I'm not saying that's the way it SHOULD be - I'm just saying if you want higher scores, target the DPC audience.

Originally posted by apashack:
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.
02/22/2008 10:38:25 AM · #116
Originally posted by metatate:
To each his own. I treated the challenge like this:
1: Meet the original challenge
2: Make some connection between the brown ribbon image and yours (this was harder than it seemed)
3: Create an image that would have scored much better (also see #1)

Originally posted by ZeppKash:
Originally posted by apashack:
With the vast number of Brown ribbon winners to choose from I don̢۪t think it̢۪s very fare to score a photo lower because YOU can̢۪t find the original. I̢۪m not going to worry about finding the original myself. I̢۪m voting in this challenge just as I would in any other.


Without regard to the challenge details?


I entered it using those exact guidelines. I'm voting as I would a Free Study. I can assure you that 85% of what I've seen is a huge improvement over the original. If I had compared each photo side by side I would have given 85% of them a 10. But I am also considering each photo for what it is. I voted giving the best a high score and the worst a low score. Simple really.
 02/22/2008 10:44:59 AM · #117
But it isn't a Free Study - there were requirements of the challenge, unlike a FS. To not consider this in voting is a shame but seeing as you have a low average vote it seems that you have a very critical eye.

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 02/22/2008 10:58:14 AM · #118
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
But it isn't a Free Study - there were requirements of the challenge, unlike a FS. To not consider this in voting is a shame but seeing as you have a low average vote it seems that you have a very critical eye.

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I guess I do. One thing is for sure, I'm not alone.
 02/22/2008 11:46:25 AM · #119
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
But it isn't a Free Study - there were requirements of the challenge, unlike a FS. To not consider this in voting is a shame but seeing as you have a low average vote it seems that you have a very critical eye.

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+1.
voting a specific challenge as a free study makes no sense.
 02/22/2008 12:07:53 PM · #120
I haven't read anything about the original intent or symbolism of the photograph. We might even dive further into this challenge and look at the descriptions (if any) that the person originally provided. Many of these brown ribbons are something meaningful or symbollic to the photog. Some are just plain nutty. As paying homage/tribute to these images, it was possible to play off of that description. Just a thought.

Message edited by author 2008-02-22 12:09:27.
 02/22/2008 12:16:01 PM · #121
Here's an idea - would it be quick and easy for Langdon or someone to just open up the Notes field for viewing during voting just for this challenge?

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 02/22/2008 12:20:18 PM · #122
Good idea - however personally I submitted at 11:59 and had not time for notes. I've gotta stop doing that. I did have a little ulcer-time though :0

Originally posted by Quasimojo:
Here's an idea - would it be quick and easy for Langdon or someone to just open up the Notes field for viewing during voting just for this challenge?

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