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 02/21/2008 01:18:27 AM · #26
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
Originally posted by smardaz:

as you like it, you sound every bit of your 21 years, i remember what it was like. at any rate this point has been driven into the ground but nobody has to stay here. if so many different aspects of the rules irritate someone then there are plenty of other sites out there, or even better...create your own. sometimes people act like this is the only site available and that there needs to be some epic struggle to give "power to the people".....there IS a life outside of dpc, quite an enjoyable one really


i didn't say a thing about the rules irritating me or hating the site so you can stop putting words in my mouth. i said i wouldn't pay for many reasons. i didn't state what those reasons are.

if there is something about the words "this shit" that offended you, please accept my deepest apologies.


i'm speaking in generalities so i apologize for not stating that in the beginning. but to be quite honest i feel the only person putting words in your mouth is Leroy himself, it seems funny to me you have close to zero activity on this site until now....


actually, you will see that i have entered a challenge and voted in a couple. i have also left a few comments here and there. i have a little ADD so sometimes i need a little push to get interested.

i am perfectly capable of thinking and speaking for myself. leroy hasn't influenced what i have posted here in any way, other than the obvious 'leroy says' or letters from SC that were sent to him that he asked me to post for him.

by the way, leroy says 'stfu :D' heh
 02/21/2008 01:18:40 AM · #27
I just have 1 last point to make. Sure Leroy has started some VERY popular threads that are labeled "disruptive" because they consume the site for a few days as PEOPLE debate the issues - but that's just it, MANY people are debating the issues. Leroy is obviously not the only one who feels the way he does about the topics he brings up. So why does he get he brunt of the "blame" for that?

I've heard the excuse numerous times that it's just a vocal minority that "take his side" but where's the proof in that? I think there have been some very real issues brought up by him that are shared by many people here. If he was just some weirdo that was trying to stir up trouble it would be a storm in a teacup because no one would really agree with him or really care. That's not the case though.

I get that "minor" things can add up but the list shows that the SC have been tracking what he's been doing for a long time - recording "events" that aren't in violation of the TOS or any rule on the site. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but why would they have been making this list? Is there a "list" for everyone? At what point do they decide to track all of a user's behaviors?
 02/21/2008 01:19:47 AM · #28
Originally posted by DjFenzl:
I just have 1 last point to make. Sure Leroy has started some VERY popular threads that are labeled "disruptive" because they consume the site for a few days as PEOPLE debate the issues - but that's just it, MANY people are debating the issues. Leroy is obviously not the only one who feels the way he does about the topics he brings up. So why does he get he brunt of the "blame" for that?

I've heard the excuse numerous times that it's just a vocal minority that "take his side" but where's the proof in that? I think there have been some very real issues brought up by him that are shared by many people here. If he was just some weirdo that was trying to stir up trouble it would be a storm in a teacup because no one would really agree with him or really care. That's not the case though.

I get that "minor" things can add up but the list shows that the SC have been tracking what he's been doing for a long time - recording "events" that aren't in violation of the TOS or any rule on the site. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but why would they have been making this list? Is there a "list" for everyone? At what point do they decide to track all of a user's behaviors?


i think they probably started a "list" for me today. haha ;x
 02/21/2008 01:20:40 AM · #29
Originally posted by DjFenzl:
I just have 1 last point to make. Sure Leroy has started some VERY popular threads that are labeled "disruptive" because they consume the site for a few days as PEOPLE debate the issues - but that's just it, MANY people are debating the issues. Leroy is obviously not the only one who feels the way he does about the topics he brings up. So why does he get he brunt of the "blame" for that?

I've heard the excuse numerous times that it's just a vocal minority that "take his side" but where's the proof in that? I think there have been some very real issues brought up by him that are shared by many people here. If he was just some weirdo that was trying to stir up trouble it would be a storm in a teacup because no one would really agree with him or really care. That's not the case though.

I get that "minor" things can add up but the list shows that the SC have been tracking what he's been doing for a long time - recording "events" that aren't in violation of the TOS or any rule on the site. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but why would they have been making this list? Is there a "list" for everyone? At what point do they decide to track all of a user's behaviors?


I see you have cheese in your portfolio also.
 02/21/2008 01:21:35 AM · #30
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
actually, you will see that i have entered a challenge and voted in a couple. i have also left a few comments here and there.


your stats:
Challenges Entered: 1
Votes Cast: 488
Avg Vote Cast: 5.7664
Votes Received: 253
Avg Vote Received: 4.7391
# Comments:Made: 4
# Helpful: 4
# Received: 20
# Helpful: 0
Forums:
# Posts: 37
# Threads Created: 1

3 of the 4 comments you made must have been on leroys shots cuz they are gone now...
i'm just sayin.......and i was wondering when Leroy was gonna tell me that LOL

Message edited by author 2008-02-21 01:25:55.
 02/21/2008 01:25:54 AM · #31
Originally posted by smardaz:
your stats:
Challenges Entered: 1
Votes Cast: 488
Avg Vote Cast: 5.7664
Votes Received: 253
Avg Vote Received: 4.7391
# Comments:Made: 4
# Helpful: 4
# Received: 20
# Helpful: 0
Forums:
# Posts: 37
# Threads Created: 1

i'm just sayin.......and i was wondering when Leroy was gonna tell me that LOL


i have been here like a month, i think? is 488 votes not alot? i kind of have a life.

either way, i have lingered in the forums before this and will probably continue to. if you believe that leroy is "putting words in my mouth" then you are mistaken and that is okay with me. as long as thats the only thing leroy puts in my mouth.

;x
 02/21/2008 01:28:15 AM · #32
Originally posted by DjFenzl:
Leroy is obviously not the only one who feels the way he does about the topics he brings up. So why does he get he brunt of the "blame" for that?
I've heard the excuse numerous times that it's just a vocal minority that "take his side" but where's the proof in that?


have you looked at the poll results so far? OVERWHELMINGLY people are voting to leave the comment system as it is, i know its only one issue but you see the numbers
 02/21/2008 01:28:25 AM · #33
Oh well there is always Eye_Fetch and some other site I saw once. I'm thinking about Eye_fetch because it's getting lame here anyway.

I am seriously thinking about making the move. why wouldn't site council take a pole and find out what the members want?

LAME!!!!!!!!!
 02/21/2008 01:28:29 AM · #34
Originally posted by smardaz:

3 of the 4 comments you made must have been on leroys shots cuz they are gone now...


no, its another conspiracy.
 02/21/2008 01:31:05 AM · #35
Originally posted by MAK:
...I see you have cheese in your portfolio also...


oddly enough my first challenge was the same one that Leroy's infamous cheese photo was revealed.
 02/21/2008 01:36:29 AM · #36
02/21/2008 02:18:24 AM · #37
Originally posted by DjFenzl:
I get that "minor" things can add up but the list shows that the SC have been tracking what he's been doing for a long time - recording "events" that aren't in violation of the TOS or any rule on the site. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but why would they have been making this list? Is there a "list" for everyone? At what point do they decide to track all of a user's behaviors?


It actually looks as though those are the times when people have complained about Leroy, times that the SC/Langdon has communicated with Leroy and times when Leroy has violated what could be termed 'taking it easy' or 'toning it down a notch'.

Essentially, if most users had done one of the more minor things on the list, it probably wouldn't hae made a blip on the radar. Because Leroy chose to make himself so visible with his questionable behavior previously, these became incidents of note.

You can't go to jail for a parking ticket. But get 162 and leave them unpaid for a year or two and jail is just where you will end up (a somewhat recent yahoo news article told me so).
 02/21/2008 03:28:15 AM · #38
Well - I'll speak up and say I love Leroy like a bawdy old drinking buddy, but I have to side with the SC on the overall breadth of disruptive behavior issue. IMO it is a case of Leroy not knowing when enough is enough - something I've been guilty of on occasion as well. Also maybe a case of picking your battles (and battlegrounds).

I salute the SC as I do believe they, as a group, handle things in a reasonable, tolerant and professional manner at least 99% of the time - particularly in so many no-win situations - and always act in what they believe to be the best interest of the community as a whole - AND they have never failed to reject my offer to just burn this place to the ground and be done with it - but then that might have had something to do with my fee. ;-)

Hopefully Leroy doesn't hate me for posting this and that he comes back in 6 months with a smile on his face and six months worth of photos for us to post our undeletable comments on. :) Maybe he'll spend the time getting ripped pumping iron, getting all inked up and returning like DeNiro in Cape Fear.

Leroy: Here's some souvenirs to hopefully keep you smiling while you are away...



and some oldies but classics...



Enjoy the time away. I envy you the suspension in many ways, my friend.

-Ken (Art)

edit: this line cracked me up...
Originally posted by ShutterHack:
why wouldn't site council take a pole and find out what the members want?

I think I've suggested that the SC take a pole to some of the members many times. :P


Message edited by author 2008-02-21 03:30:54.
 02/21/2008 03:33:22 AM · #39
We all make stupid mistakes...trust me I know!! Not to say they souldn't be punished...Hope you come back Leroy...
 02/21/2008 03:49:23 AM · #40
[thumb]649466[/thumb]

For 6 months... then we get the return of Zombie Cheeseman...mwahaha....
(Art, I leave THAT illustration up to you.)
 02/21/2008 06:41:16 AM · #41
Originally posted by Skip:
it's probably not that a single item violates the TOS in and of itself; it's more likely the sum total of a pattern of disruptive and offensive behaviors.

i think it's a mistake to try to turn this into soley an 'SC vs Leroy' thing and make the SC out to be some evil overlord. i would find it much more likely that even though the SC has been made the target here, that there are many, many more less vocal members that have been backing up the SC in their decisions...

Well stated Skip. I agree.
 02/21/2008 07:27:08 AM · #42
Originally posted by Skip:
it's probably not that a single item violates the TOS in and of itself; it's more likely the sum total of a pattern of disruptive and offensive behaviors.

i think it's a mistake to try to turn this into soley an 'SC vs Leroy' thing and make the SC out to be some evil overlord. i would find it much more likely that even though the SC has been made the target here, that there are many, many more less vocal members that have been backing up the SC in their decisions...


Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to turn this into a "SC vs Leroy" thing and I'm sure what was posted is just a summary. I just didn't see the one line as violating TOS. Others are the list certainly are.

Message edited by author 2008-02-21 07:38:32.
 02/21/2008 08:06:03 AM · #43
Originally posted by JamieLynn:
he has no access to his PM system, so if anyone still wants to have some leroy in their lives (and i know you all need to, even those of you that won't admit it)..


No, I'm sure that I don't need any Leroy as described in the initial post in this thread. Thanks for consolidating all of his disruptivness in one place so that I can better understand the reason for all of the related threads.

Originally posted by JamieLynn:
oh, and he is very glad to see the poll went up =)


And if it is possible to change my vote in the poll to indicate my preference that he leaves then I would appreciate it. I voted for him to stay before I realized the extent of the disruptiveness and trouble he has been causing. This type of behavior is not what I come to DPC to be a part of. edit to clarify: I understand the poll referred to by JamieLynn is the comment poll on the front page. I'm referring to the unofficial vote that was conducted regarding Leroy leaving or staying

To Site Council: I can see that this must have been an extremely difficult and tiring situation to deal with. While it seems that nobody believes that you guys are perfect, I appreciate and applaude your handling of this situation.

Message edited by author 2008-02-21 08:20:50.
 02/21/2008 08:15:23 AM · #44
Originally posted by yakatme:
To Site Council: I can see that this must have been an extremely difficult and tiring situation to deal with. While it seems that nobody believes that you guys are perfect, I appreciate and applaude your handling of this situation.


I'll second Robert's sentiments. While I love Leroy and many of his antics, he pushed waaaaaayyyyyy too far this time from reading "JamieLynn's" post. Nice work SC, now let's get on with the site.
 02/21/2008 08:20:36 AM · #45
I understand he was suspended and has tons of friends here. I have even discussed some stuff with him and received very nice email from him answerng some of my questions. But how many threads do we need to post about this situation?

IMO he got suspended because he went over the line. It is SC's job to prevent stop such antics when possible and they did. If he chooses not to come back that is his decision.

Message edited by author 2008-02-21 08:23:23.
 02/21/2008 08:24:11 AM · #46
Originally posted by rex:
I understand he was suspended and has tons of friends here. I have even discussed some stuff with him and received very nice email from him answerng some of my questions. But how many threads do we need to post about this situation?

IMO he got suspended because he went over the line. It is SC's job to prevent stop such antics when possible and they did. If he chooses not to come back that is his decision.


I think we need at least 6 more. Whos gonna start em?
 02/21/2008 08:36:08 AM · #47
Don't forget all the threads branching off from the original thread. I don't even remember what that was?? At least i'm busy with entertaining things to read now :)

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by rex:
But how many threads do we need to post about this situation?



I think we need at least 6 more. Whos gonna start em?
02/21/2008 08:40:39 AM · #48
I'm surprised to see that a "Record" was kept. I'd like to see my "Record".



Leroy is banned! Long live Leroy!
The fun-factor of DPC has just decreased for me by 33%.


02/21/2008 08:56:35 AM · #49
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
but I have to side with the SC on the overall breadth of disruptive behavior issue.

Niiiiiiiice.
 02/21/2008 08:59:01 AM · #50
I am sure you will be able to make up that 33% in 6 months Slippy.

I belive that SC who are not paid and do this on their own time, have been pretty proffesional about the whole thing. They have spent a lot of their free time away from their families, their lives, being able to go out and shoot, to sort this stuff out. I am sure this took a lot of man hours. So thank you guys for taking time out of your lives to do a job that sometimes has no pleasure.

From reading Jamie's post of the letter, it does seem as though it was stuff that just went overboard, Leroy just didn't seem to know when to stop pushing the envelope on many dubious subjects, that obviously made some people uncomfortable.

I hope that with the summer season that he is really busy with weddings and grows with his photography.

Message edited by author 2008-02-21 09:00:13.
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