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02/20/2008 07:42:07 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
And also if you look back into the discussions I have asked 3 questions and then bowed out of the discussion as I could see it going the way it always does. So you really don't know where I stand on the issue as I have not shared my opinion only asked questions.
Oh well... |
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I believe I answered your questions, more than once. |
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02/20/2008 07:44:46 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by frisca:
I believe I answered your questions, more than once. |
I did not say you didn't! And again since my point has been missed.
"...you really don't know where I stand on the issue"
And I choose to keep that to myself right now as I am still digesting the whole discussion... |
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02/20/2008 07:48:24 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by frisca:
I believe I answered your questions, more than once. |
I did not say you didn't! And again since my point has been missed.
"...you really don't know where I stand on the issue"
And I choose to keep that to myself right now as I am still digesting the whole discussion... |
Sorry, I wasn't sure why you kept repeating this part. I never pretended to know what your stance is. My comments were a general observation using our conversation as an example. I did not intend, and still do not intend to ascribe any of those thoughts or opinions to you. |
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02/20/2008 07:49:17 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Sorry, I wasn't sure why you kept repeating this part. I never pretended to know what your stance is. My comments were a general observation using our conversation as an example. I did not intend, and still do not intend to ascribe any of those thoughts or opinions to you. |
Cool. |
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02/20/2008 07:56:33 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Just so the truth can be known. I have voted in this poll 20 times just myself using multiple computers and the same computer after the timer ran out. The results are skewed thus this poll means absolutely shit. |
So if some members are so intent on helping a friend they loose there integrity, by deliberately skewing a vote what are they willing too lose to help themselves. If it can be done here, Then it can be done in voting. The problem is and never was with SC but with the integrity of all the users. I believe that the majority here that voted cast one vote and kept there integrity but now deeper questions linger. For the record I did not vote It's Leroys choice what he does and only his. Votes cast in either direction can be very detrimental to the whole.
Message edited by author 2008-02-20 20:16:44. |
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02/20/2008 07:59:58 PM · #106 |
Just an FYI
"Error
We're sorry, but this poll is now closed." |
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02/20/2008 08:03:41 PM · #107 |
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02/20/2008 08:06:48 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Just so the truth can be known. I have voted in this poll 20 times just myself using multiple computers and the same computer after the timer ran out. The results are skewed thus this poll means absolutely shit. |
So if some members are so intent on helping a friend they loose there integrity, by deliberately skewing a vote what are they willing too loose to help themselves. If it can be done here, Then it can be done in voting. The problem is and never was with SC but with the integrity of all the users. I believe that the majority here that voted cast one vote and kept there integrity but now deeper questions linger. For the record I did not vote It's Leroy's choice what he does and only his. Votes cast in either direction can be very detrimental to the whole. |
My point is that a poll that can be exploited with no way to verify IP's and membership accounts means nothing! I exploited the poll to see if it could be, as I am sure others had, and shared the truth. What is the point of believing a lie? Whether you like Leroy or not, the fact is, his feelings and POV should be respected. I understand his anger got the best of him and earned him a short ban but he has been a member here for 6 years and is deserving of at least the truth.
If a poll is to be done on the issue the only one that would count in my mind is one posted by langdon on this site.
Message edited by author 2008-02-20 20:08:36. |
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02/20/2008 08:13:23 PM · #109 |
He should most deffinately go... but then send word back of where he went so others can follow. I think he left a trail of cheese, but then it dissappeared... right before the SC council was seen eating nachos. ;)
Mike
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02/20/2008 08:37:48 PM · #110 |
I don't care about all that PC sh*t...I know when I wake up and need to look at some ass...he's got it. So quit ruining this for me! Incidentaly, I don't care whose ass it is. I just like me some ass.:) Stay fotoman...stay! Bring the ass!
PS: I'm Cuban. |
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02/20/2008 08:50:43 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
This is IMHO a silly thread. Of course he shouldn't go but he should be expected to behave in an adult manner... If he or anyone else for that matter, wants to throw tantrums when he doesn't get his way then he should take his ball and go home... |
Most sensible post of this whole silly thread. |
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02/20/2008 09:07:45 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Just an FYI
"Error
We're sorry, but this poll is now closed." |
Yep. It's closed, but the results are still visible, here ==> Leroy Poll Results |
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02/20/2008 09:11:35 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by TooCool:
This is IMHO a silly thread. Of course he shouldn't go but he should be expected to behave in an adult manner... If he or anyone else for that matter, wants to throw tantrums when he doesn't get his way then he should take his ball and go home... |
Most sensible post of this whole silly thread. |
Most of it might make sense if looked separately. But in this situation what he said is not correct portrayal of things.
1. Everyone is expected to behave in an adult manner.
Okey. But then being recieving rude comments for so long (yes he has brought this up many times) is not very civil reflection of DPC either. As a part of this community we also share the same responsibility and take care that we shall not be rude to others. If he has to be blamed here for this we share part of the blame too.
2. He did not throw tantrum and went off. (He hasn't still gone completely). He has simply pulled off his photographs. Which he is entitled to do so, if the rules of this site does not confirm to his needs. I would not call it throwing tantrums.
Other than that this thread being silly. Well it may be for some, but one thing that has come out of this thread that many people would like him to stick around. At least something useful came out.
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02/21/2008 05:01:29 AM · #114 |
UPDATE!!! If any of you are members on the MySpace DPC group, here is the message that was just posted:
To those that care,
I've been banned from DPC for 6 months, as some of you may know. I don't agree with the trumped up reasons why SC is banning me, but there is nothing I can do. Langdon lets them run/ruin the site. Oh well.
After 6 months, I will not be returning to DPC. The site has become a place that I am not proud to put my work. With no editorial controls and an increasing number of immature commenters, the site has become a hostile place for portrait/nude photography.
I'll miss many of you and hope to keep in touch.
Love,
Leroy
I am thinking I may just follow him... what good is any of this without the great photographers (and people) that make it what it is?? |
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02/21/2008 07:37:05 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
UPDATE!!! If any of you are members on the MySpace DPC group, here is the message that was just posted:
To those that care,
I've been banned from DPC for 6 months, as some of you may know. I don't agree with the trumped up reasons why SC is banning me, but there is nothing I can do. Langdon lets them run/ruin the site. Oh well.
After 6 months, I will not be returning to DPC. The site has become a place that I am not proud to put my work. With no editorial controls and an increasing number of immature commenters, the site has become a hostile place for portrait/nude photography.
I'll miss many of you and hope to keep in touch.
Love,
Leroy
I am thinking I may just follow him... what good is any of this without the great photographers (and people) that make it what it is?? |
Few months ago I wanted to shift to onexposure.net, that is stop visiting dpc and spend time on other forums. But because of DPC community thing I decided to hang out here little bit more. Now I am also thinking of moving out.
But I have few things to find out before I go out.
I can delete all my portfolio images, but what happens to my challenge images. Who owns the right to them. I or DPC. If I do have the right to them. Would DPC be deleting all the images when I terminate my account.
I do not want to have even a shred of anything that belongs to me to be visible from ay where. They should not be allowed to show anything that belongs to me.
Just wish tofind out the answer to this riddle before I press that terminate button.
Message edited by author 2008-02-21 07:38:18. |
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02/21/2008 07:58:08 AM · #116 |
I have only been on here a year now but there are a few of the photogs here that I have come to respect not only for their photography, but also for their wisdom and their willingness to share what they know with those of us that have a lot to learn about the digital world and all that it contains. Leroy, IMHO, is one of these great people. The fact that he is irreverent at times, despicable at others only gave him the cuddly teddy bear aspect to his rantings. I have, do, and will hold him in deep respect for all that he has helped me, by telling me directly something I didn't know, or by telling someone else in a forum where I was also a recipient of his wisdom. So...
If I have any clout (probably not), say so (again...probably not) or whatever.... I hope to hell that he decides to come back. I read the letter that  TCGurucopied and put here that Leroy posted on Myspace. I know he was upset about some of the comments made about one of his models and I do respect his ideals in this case, but without the 'looseness' in the comments as there is now, I am afraid that we would need a "comment police squad" to handle them, and then commenting would probably slow down alot for fear of getting whacked by them.
Maybe, we should all just try and be nicer (I know I sound sappy, but there it is)and also if we see what is considered rude or could be worded differently, PM the person and ask them to edit their words a little.
I don't know. I DO know that to lose someone of Leroy's stature would be a bad thing. Although I think he would be losing out on alot of what he helped create ... but I think we would be bigger losers in the long run. His posts were always informative and/or a riot. Both of which is needed here.
Leroy...if you can read this....please stay with DPC. I, for one, would miss the heck out of ya if you don't!!
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02/21/2008 08:04:35 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Few months ago I wanted to shift to onexposure.net, that is stop visiting dpc and spend time on other forums. But because of DPC community thing I decided to hang out here little bit more. Now I am also thinking of moving out.
But I have few things to find out before I go out.
I can delete all my portfolio images, but what happens to my challenge images. Who owns the right to them. I or DPC. If I do have the right to them. Would DPC be deleting all the images when I terminate my account.
I do not want to have even a shred of anything that belongs to me to be visible from ay where. They should not be allowed to show anything that belongs to me.
Just wish tofind out the answer to this riddle before I press that terminate button. |
I am not sure but I think that by submitting your photos to the Challenges you may have implied consent for them to use them. Your portfolio images are a different thing I would suspec, but i wouldn't expect the others (Challenge entries) to be taken down.
And, unless you are nearing the end of your membership...why waste the money. I would just6 remain here till your membership runs out and then...just slowly fade away. Who knows...you may change your mind and want to come back. And, you have made some friends here... at least if your don't terminate then you will be able to contact them easily enough!
Just my 2 cents worth!
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02/21/2008 11:04:59 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by Dantzr:
And, unless you are nearing the end of your membership...why waste the money. I would just remain here till your membership runs out and then...just slowly fade away. Who knows...you may change your mind and want to come back. And, you have made some friends here... at least if you don't terminate then you will be able to contact them easily enough! |
That's probably the tack I'm going to take. And I'm sure I'll contribute much less in the forums ... knowing now that SC/mods censor things really turns me off. The site that I moderate is supported by vendors and advertisers, yet the only thing we censor are overt racial remarks (and the word fuck is replaced with asterisks automatically). It seems hypocritical to me that SC censors members but won't allow members -- especially the paying ones -- to censor comments on their own photos. I gotta say, considering the average age here is much higher than the site I mod, there is sure a lot more whining, bickering, and hurt feelings in these forums. |
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02/21/2008 01:59:11 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Creature:
... I'm sure I'll contribute much less in the forums ... knowing now that SC/mods censor things really turns me off. The site that I moderate is supported by vendors and advertisers, yet the only thing we censor are overt racial remarks (and the word fuck is replaced with asterisks automatically). It seems hypocritical to me that SC censors members but won't allow members -- especially the paying ones -- to censor comments on their own photos. I gotta say, considering the average age here is much higher than the site I mod, there is sure a lot more whining, bickering, and hurt feelings in these forums. |
I think the SC is just doing a job of moderating, not necessarily censoring. Censorship implies alot more than simply trying to squelch rants that seemingly go on forever, going from one forum thread to another. I respect Leroy's thoughts and feelings on the aspect of rude comments, but giving the option to delete comments would open a can of worms that I don't think anyone REALLY wants. Yes, some comments should be deleted or changed but to allow the general membership... paid or unpaid... to delete unwanted comments would change the whole chemistry of the site. I, myself, have learned a crud-load from reading comments on pictures. And believe me, the learning experience is found more on the low scoring photos than on the higher, more popular ones.
On another photo competition site, Shutterpond, that I belong to, your ranking is based on the number of votes you get on your photo. A vote is accumulated by clicking on a button that simply says "I like it". No variation. Comments are few but even fewer are the comments that explain why someone didn't click that "I like it" button. There is no learning experience on that site. I would give anything to know why the one picture i entered so far for this month has only 3 "I like it" votes.
Although I know that if DPC had that comment delete button, many members would only delete those that were rude or totally mean spirited. But i also know that many others would also "purify" their comments to a point where it would appear that no comments would show that criticized their photo. Not much would come through to tell those of us who are learning what to look for, what to do to perform this, or to eliminate that. The overall learning experience of the site would become a rather moot point. People looking at a poorly setup and low scoring photo couldn't help but wonder "With all of those good comments, why did it score so low?".
As I said, I respect Leroy's feelings on the subject, but i do think that he went about it in the wrong way. You could tell he was angry in almost all of his posts and, looking at it from what might be his point of view, I can understand his anger. But... rather than go off on the tangent that he did... maybe starting a discussion asking for solutions, asking for members to not only stop leaving those types of remarks but when anyone saw a remark that was wrong, to PM the commenter and ask him to change the wording or even delete it.
SC may have been a little harsh this time, depending on how you look at it, but I don't think they were entirely wrong. The duty of a true moderator is to, basically, keep things flowing smoothly and peacefully in a productive manner. If on the site you moderate the rules state "anything goes", then maybe your style of moderation is fine there. Here, I do believe the SC was within the boundaries of this site's structuring in handling this in the manner they did.
I think the poll that is on our homepage now, which is what Leroy said he was aiming at in his second (3rd?)thread, is showing that not everyone agrees with the changes that he was more or less demanding. But then, with the smaller but poignant votes otherwise, it does show that some would like something to spruce up whatever "rude, crude and vicious" rules we have in place at the moment.
I will shut up now, but I do want to say that I have been, and still am on, a whale of a lot of sites in my 15 years of Internet and bulletin boards before the Internet came into prominence. DPC is one of the best run of any that I have been a part of. Yes, there are things that could be improved on, but, on the whole, I am damned proud of this site and am prouder still to be a member (albeit a low-scoring one) of this site. If I ever leave, it will be because I cannot afford it, have no time to participate in any way... or that it has changed from a fun-loving, friendly and most of all...educational website that it is at this moment!
Message edited by author 2008-02-21 14:02:47.
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02/21/2008 02:28:17 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I can delete all my portfolio images, but what happens to my challenge images. Who owns the right to them. I or DPC. |
You "own" the images. When you registered and agreed to the Terms of Use (Section 6.2), you granted DPC a perpetual, royalty-free license to use the photos (the entries) to maintain and promote the site.
I also believe all your forum posts will remain. |
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03/07/2008 01:00:12 PM · #121 |
I guess that this has been decided. fotomann_forever ?
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