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 01/25/2008 03:34:36 AM · #1
Seems a lot of anti-Photoshop sentiments are coming out here, claiming that DPC isn't about real photography and other similar poop, sooo ribboners... can you shine w/o PS... I know you can..

No matter how "DPcish" a ribbon winner may be, none of them start out with a bad photo.

So let's give the big dogs a chance to show the nay-sayers that DPC's middle name is Photography and toss a little water on this fire.
 01/25/2008 11:46:11 AM · #2
No replies, eh?
 01/25/2008 11:48:00 AM · #3
I like the idea. And that's all I'd like to say about that.
 01/25/2008 11:49:33 AM · #4
I'll be your huckleberry.
 01/25/2008 12:47:14 PM · #5
I like the idea but I'm going to disagree with one of your points.

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
No matter how "DPcish" a ribbon winner may be, none of them start out with a bad photo.


I used to believe this totally. However, having seen some of the originals for validations, some of them have started with some pretty crappy shots. Shot that normally would have been put in the bin. However, they may have known what they wanted to do in photoshop and were able to let some things (exposure, for one) go.

I think a truer statement would be, those who can consistently win ribbons on dpc can probably do so without photoshop, because they do know how to make a good photograph to begin with.
01/25/2008 01:31:36 PM · #6
Originally posted by karmat:

I think a truer statement would be, those who can consistently win ribbons on dpc can probably do so without photoshop, because they do know how to make a good photograph to begin with.


I would definitely agree with that statement.
 01/25/2008 01:36:38 PM · #7
An excellent Idea! do it, do it, do it.....
 01/25/2008 01:39:27 PM · #8
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
I'll be your huckleberry.

love that movie
 01/25/2008 01:43:11 PM · #9
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
No matter how "DPcish" a ribbon winner may be, none of them start out with a bad photo.


I used to believe this totally. However, having seen some of the originals for validations, some of them have started with some pretty crappy shots. Shot that normally would have been put in the bin. However, they may have known what they wanted to do in photoshop and were able to let some things (exposure, for one) go.


HEY! Stop talking about my pictures! Although, seriously, yes I absolutely DO know what I am planning to do with them when I capture them, so they are never in danger of getting binned...

Originally posted by karmat:
I think a truer statement would be, those who can consistently win ribbons on dpc can probably do so without photoshop, because they do know how to make a good photograph to begin with.


It would be nice if that were true, but I wonder about myself :-) On the other hand, I don't "consistently" win ribbons here; 1 or 2 a year is more my speed :-)

R.

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 13:43:33.
 01/25/2008 02:01:53 PM · #10
Looking back trough past Minimal challenges, I see a lot of the usual suspects among the top 20-30 entries. Doesn't that pretty much answer the question?
 01/25/2008 03:44:58 PM · #11
Originally posted by scalvert:
Looking back trough past Minimal challenges, I see a lot of the usual suspects among the top 20-30 entries. Doesn't that pretty much answer the question?


It does for me... but obviously not everyone.
 01/25/2008 04:06:59 PM · #12
I really like the idea! For all the same reasons stated.
 01/25/2008 04:16:39 PM · #13
I SO wanna see those validation originals you're talking about, now! In the Before/After threads, it seems like they're all pretty decent, but....
 01/25/2008 05:27:17 PM · #14
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems a lot of anti-Photoshop sentiments are coming out here, claiming that DPC isn't about real photography and other similar poop, sooo ribboners... can you shine w/o PS... I know you can..

No matter how "DPcish" a ribbon winner may be, none of them start out with a bad photo.

So let's give the big dogs a chance to show the nay-sayers that DPC's middle name is Photography and toss a little water on this fire.


Are you calling me a dog?
 01/25/2008 10:57:28 PM · #15
Originally posted by Judi:

Are you calling me a dog?


Ummmm... no! ;-)

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 22:57:40.
 01/25/2008 11:00:19 PM · #16
Sounds like a great idea, I'd love to see them prove the mass wrong.
 01/26/2008 12:40:00 AM · #17
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Judi:

Are you calling me a dog?


Ummmm... no! ;-)


Just as well....woof...oops...I mean...purr!

Bring the challenge on!
 01/26/2008 12:51:20 AM · #18
Anyone can edit. It takes a good eye to capture an image exactly as the mind sees it. As a new member, I am frankly distressed to see how heavily some lean on PS, PSP or some other program to manufacture their vision.
 01/26/2008 01:28:02 AM · #19
Originally posted by creek41256:
Anyone can edit. It takes a good eye to capture an image exactly as the mind sees it. As a new member, I am frankly distressed to see how heavily some lean on PS, PSP or some other program to manufacture their vision.


Good Eye + Good Equipment + Ability to control Good Equipment + A Blessing or sometimes a miracle...

+ [Back in the day a] Good Photo Lab because it never quite came out of the camera just right. Many of us were never quite aware of how much help we got from our photo lab. Most professionals were painfully aware, because a good photo lab came at a high price.
 01/26/2008 01:33:19 AM · #20
Originally posted by creek41256:
Anyone can edit.


I wish I could edit. I could only use photoshop to its 5% capabilities.

Originally posted by creek41256:
It takes a good eye to capture an image exactly as the mind sees it.


Agree. In fact it good eye to spot correct moment to capture.

Originally posted by creek41256:
As a new member, I am frankly distressed to see how heavily some lean on PS, PSP or some other program to manufacture their vision.


This is debatable.
But I could tell you that nobody will come to you to force you to use photoshop. You could all your life live without even touching any photo editing software. And you are free to do what you chose. But then so are others and I think they need freedom to do what they like. Without having to justify.

01/26/2008 02:14:03 AM · #21
Originally posted by creek41256:
Anyone can edit. It takes a good eye to capture an image exactly as the mind sees it. As a new member, I am frankly distressed to see how heavily some lean on PS, PSP or some other program to manufacture their vision.


Here, you'd be surprised at what you think is post-processing might be just a good dose of in-camera know how or just good lighting, or creativity. Shannon ( scalvert) is a ribbon hog that doesn't require heavy PSing on his photos in order to collect bunches of ribbons. Frankly, I'm more awed by his creative genius than his use of Photoshop. Although he certainly uses the tool when needed.

Message edited by author 2008-01-26 02:16:47.
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