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01/24/2008 12:52:04 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
...but if I out score DrAchoo in the best of 2007 it's just like winning a ribbon to me..... |
LOL, you go ace. Better keep that score up there. I've got you in my sights now! |
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01/24/2008 01:00:23 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by ace flyman:
...but if I out score DrAchoo in the best of 2007 it's just like winning a ribbon to me..... |
LOL, you go ace. Better keep that score up there. I've got you in my sights now! |
That's what I'm talking about! |
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01/24/2008 01:05:37 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Dantzr:
Originally posted by photokariangel:
Just to throw my thought in here, don't you want to challenge yourself as a photographer against some of the best and try to set the bar higher for yourself, instead of setting it at a lower stage just to make yourself feel better? Lifes tough, learn from the best, keep going at it, and push yourself. |
Kari... you are right. Compete against the best and strive to improve. Good thought. But some people do not have the time, money or patience to start from zilch and dig their selves in till they can make it to the top. I try and do as you suggest... but life puts up roadblocks sometimes.
I love DPC and just about all who are on the site. When I boot up the ol' PC, the first place I go is this site and peruse it's hidden gems. When I have time to take photos, I do so and if they fit a Challenge I try and enter. So far, my highest rated entry has been a 5.1328 after entering 11 Challenges. But I have a thick skin so unless someone posting a comment is really an ASSinine person, I seldom get upset. I know that my photos have a long way to go.
But there are a lot of new photogs here. Some people who bought their first camera and, while looking on the Internet for accessories happened to come across DPC. These people could easily get to the point where they say to themselves...what is the point? I'll never get as good as those others. And they will find a site somewhere that is aimed and populated by lesser talented photogs and picture-takers.
You have a talented eye for photography and obviously a wonderful set of goals. But remember, some people have families, jobs and much more that takes precedence over their photography. What seems like an wonderful thing to shoot for to you might seem completely insurmountable to many others.
All the people who would like to see some changes are saying is that maybe if there were different levels to DPC that maybe it would make it more competitive for us at the bottom of the spectrum.
Sorry! My 2 cents sometimes ends up being a dime.
Mike |
I'm having a hard time with this. You seem to be a good advocate for mediocraty. I have a job, I have a family, I have bills, I have many things that take precedence over photography. I choose not to use those excuses for my challenge submissions. This sort of passivist attitude is crippling and yes, politically correct. Am I attacking you, no, as I have no idea who you are. Am I attacking this attitude? Most definitely as it is the cancer we are experiencing in our culture. Feel good about not being that good. No need to try sport ..... the fact that you can breath means that you are trying. Damn those other people who show-off by doing well, you shouldn't compete with them because you're .... well ....special in your own right.
That attitude is nothing more than justification for one's own insecurities. Why deal with them yourself when we can plead that others deal with them for us. This just irks me. |
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01/24/2008 01:09:26 AM · #79 |
All I know is that the single ribbon I've won out of 153 tries is more valuable because it wasn't watered down.
At the same time, I don't enter to win ribbons, and that might be my more important point. Celebrate progress on many different scales: getting good comments, using a technique for the first time, getting a reaction from viewers, etc.
Remember: you're special, just like everyone else. ;)
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01/24/2008 01:14:55 AM · #80 |
I'll confess that I'm one of those people who have decided that ribbon territory will be impossible to reach. Unfortunately, DPC was the first place I found when I decided to try photography out and will likely remain my main frame of reference for a long time.
I know that my average vote received is a 5.3 - which is the same score for a shameful failure of a photo in the challenges. Statistically, I would think (I suck at statistics, so I may be 100% wrong) that should be about average. The really disheartening thing, though, is when you read threads where someone says "OMG, I only have a 5.7 - what did I expect, I only took it 2 minutes before the deadline, lawlz" or that obviously the voters aren't seeing the merit in their photo or that it's so low because it's so 'artistic' or other things like that.
More than the absolutely amazing photos that always ribbon around here, that kind of attitude, especially among the people that score well or ribbon often, is the really disheartening thing. |
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01/24/2008 01:28:15 AM · #81 |
| This isn't an attack on any poster in favor of divisions or challenges for those who havn't won a ribbon, but this all seems like an attempt to stroke egos. If you are here on this site for learning, then participating against the best and learning from their photos would be more benifical then competeing against those who are beginners. So what if you don't win if you can learn something from each challenge you enter. Now if you are here for the fun of the site then one of two things will apply to you. You will either have fun regardless of your score and enter challenges for the fun of it, or you will enter to win and will work and strive to get better so you can compete because winning a ribbon is fun. I don't think we need to create another division so people can have fun and win because they don't want to, or don't have the time to learn the basic of photography and PP. If you want a ribbon bad enough then you will work for it. jmo. |
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01/24/2008 01:29:24 AM · #82 |
I really do not agree with the "no previous ribbon winner" challenge. I paid my membership to compete against the ribbon winners. It would be a rather hollow victory if you beat me to a ribbon with none of the previous ribbon winners there to compete.
I do however fully support the DPC caps, mugs and so on.
On the December PDP podcast Langdon did say that they have a lot of ideas for the site that they want to implement, so let's see what comes from there. |
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01/24/2008 07:46:21 AM · #83 |
I wasn't going to continue, but here is the thing guys... First, this is a fun site, not some place we earn our career, earn money out of ribbons, or a school that we have to graduate. Some of you said in past challenges some of the winners all first ribboners who beat ribbon winners, that's great, and that it proves none ribboner's photos don't suck. Some challenges there are only 90 entries, and winners of that challenge probably will think "well, there was only 90 entries, I wonder what would it be if there were 300 entries"... so between 90 entries and 300 entries, would ribbon be shiner, bigger? I mean you are beating 300 against only 90.
That's totally dumb for me if you ask, I thought we try to encourage people in this website, not try to "see if they can beat the big guys" no, I don't agree. Trust me on that, if you give chance none ribboners they will do better job... You don't give all what you got in a race if you know you are competing against 10 pros... you could say you would, but that would be lie or only half way, and at the end when you lose the race, you would give excuse there were too many pros and you didn't have any chance.
We are thinking too much here, don't worry, those none ribboners, first timers probably have studios that beats your tabletop studio, and probably make their living instead of a hobby. They will be real ribbons :/ |
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01/24/2008 07:58:38 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I wasn't going to continue, but here is the thing guys... First, this is a fun site, not some place we earn our career, earn money out of ribbons, or a school that we have to graduate. Some of you said in past challenges some of the winners all first ribboners who beat ribbon winners, that's great, and that it proves none ribboner's photos don't suck. Some challenges there are only 90 entries, and winners of that challenge probably will think "well, there was only 90 entries, I wonder what would it be if there were 300 entries"... so between 90 entries and 300 entries, would ribbon be shiner, bigger? I mean you are beating 300 against only 90.
You don't give all what you got in a race if you know you are competing against 10 pros... you could say you would, but that would be lie or only half way, and at the end when you lose the race, you would give excuse there were too many pros and you didn't have any chance.
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Maybe YOU don't give your all unless you can be sure of winning but I don't believe that goes for the majority. Yes, scores are important to me. Yes, ribboning is unbelievably exciting (I've only done it once). But competing against MYSELF is most important; learning, growing, progressing, and watching my scores improve. When I hit a plateau or a slump I look at why, and I don't blame the ribboners for it. I recognise that I've been slacking and it's time to push myself again.
I don't want a condescending pat on the back and gratuitous ribbon to make me feel better. I want to EARN it. |
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01/24/2008 08:11:45 AM · #85 |
Challenges Entered: 305
Votes Cast: 27,713
Avg Vote Cast: 5.4418
Votes Received: 62,052
Avg Vote Received: 5.1658
I Have been here since 2005, my entry stats are above. my lowest score was 3.8, I am not a pro and do this for a grreat hobby, but do try to produce images that I hope be seen as a certain style and hopefuly one day will look like a pro image.
This site has so much more going for it than just winning a ribbon, the loyality and friendship that is made over years.
What  BeeCeesay's is true the feeling of winning a ribbon would be great, and when you do you know you have earned it.
In the meantime enjoy the product that is put before us on the front page regardless of who's name is under it.
My 2 cents worth.:):):)
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01/24/2008 08:31:08 AM · #86 |
| [hijack] Hey Brian, didn't realise you'd changed your name. I had to look to see who had been here this long without my recognising them! :) [/hijack] |
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01/24/2008 08:33:27 AM · #87 |
BeeCee, with all due respect, do YOU think YOU won't learn and improve yourself just because you entered to noneribbon contest (thinking you didn't have any)?
what's the difference between "masters" challenge and "noneribboners" challenge? they both have winners... one cannot enter to another. am I correct?
do you know how many people here new, without ribbons much better than YOU are? you have no idea, well, find out.
Do NOT GIVE ME "YOU" thing, I have not point anyone here, you CAN NOT point me out because I give my suggestion. That becomes personal. say what you want to say without putting ME in caps please.
you don't like it that's fine, I am sure there are many that do.
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01/24/2008 08:47:48 AM · #88 |
| Some people just don't have the time to put into getting great shots. When you see the ribbon hogs talk about how much effort they put into a shot, it makes me wonder how they find the time. No offense to them if they have that time but not everyone does. I couldn't spend a week on an idea going to different locations several hours away, shooting hundreds of shot, spending all the time on the processing. I guess that I just have to deal with the limited amount of time that I have. I will probably never get a ribbon but I guess I can live with that. |
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01/24/2008 08:50:59 AM · #89 |
| never.... say never....... didn't you guys ever see An American Tale? |
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01/24/2008 08:58:58 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Some people just don't have the time to put into getting great shots. When you see the ribbon hogs talk about how much effort they put into a shot, it makes me wonder how they find the time. No offense to them if they have that time but not everyone does. I couldn't spend a week on an idea going to different locations several hours away, shooting hundreds of shot, spending all the time on the processing. I guess that I just have to deal with the limited amount of time that I have. I will probably never get a ribbon but I guess I can live with that. |
what he said. 100% |
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01/24/2008 09:01:39 AM · #91 |
goc, your entry received a 7+ score in the Free Study challenge! You know how hard that is?
You'll get your ribbon soon enough, then you'll be on the other side of the fence. |
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01/24/2008 09:08:34 AM · #92 |
Excuse me if I have missed something here, but what does it mean if you 'win' a no-ribboner? You are the top of the pile of photographers after all of the good ones have been removed. Hmmm.... that sounds like a great achievement!
When I come to my next appraisal at work I'll try it: "Well, if you ignore all of the top performers above me, I came first".
Similarly, you could only win one once (as you would then have a ribbon yourself) and the number of people being able to compete would continually decrease in numbers until it was pointless.
Personally, I have only ever won one ribbon, and it is far more gratifying to win it when I knew EVERYONE was in the running.
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01/24/2008 09:09:51 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by totaldis:
goc, your entry received a 7+ score in the Free Study challenge! You know how hard that is?
You'll get your ribbon soon enough, then you'll be on the other side of the fence. |
hah. acutally it's not, just create some weird eyecandy and voila :-) , as for the ribbon i'll probably be out of here before i get a chance to win a ribbon ... and if i accidentally win a ribbon i will always stay on this side of the fence looking through the holes admiring the real ribbon land and it's residents. |
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01/24/2008 09:16:07 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by jan_vdw:
I really do not agree with the "no previous ribbon winner" challenge. I paid my membership to compete against the ribbon winners. It would be a rather hollow victory if you beat me to a ribbon with none of the previous ribbon winners there to compete. |
Again, well said. I agree.
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01/24/2008 09:23:57 AM · #95 |
| Here's an odd thought - if there's a no-ribbon challenge, and you're opposed to the idea, don't enter it. :-) If there's a Masters challenge, and you don't have enough ribbons to enter, well that's just the way it goes. I would say that they probably shouldn't run against each other simply so those who don't have ribbons and are opposed to a no-ribbon challenge won't be left out for a week. |
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01/24/2008 09:30:53 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by samchad:
...when I knew EVERYONE was in the running. |
No, only 305 people were running. not everyone. which is a good number, don't get me wrong. But how about the challenge winners with 80 runners? I think your ribbon should have a darker blue with 300+ on it so you would be more proud of yourself, no? and the ones with 80 people challenge would have 80+ on the ribbon and less proud of their work, no? |
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01/24/2008 09:31:21 AM · #97 |
We're playing a game here, no? Who the heck cares if an extra game is created now and then with special limitations on participation? Is it really going to bother anyone all that much? If non-ribbon winners want to compete against each other, who am I to say, "No, you have to let me play, too"?
This isn't the olympics
I'd love to see the Master's Challenges again, only this time with a 5 ribbon count or higher for entry. So why not do the reverse as well? |
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01/24/2008 09:42:33 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I am looking at the new threads lately, and I am afraid to see bunch of villagers moving into Langdon-town with their torches and pitchforks to demand extreme changes here... no, not to burn the village, but demand changes... big ones. |
This thread sure has changed since the OP. Perhaps a title change is in order?
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01/24/2008 09:51:09 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I am looking at the new threads lately, and I am afraid to see bunch of villagers moving into Langdon-town with their torches and pitchforks to demand extreme changes here... no, not to burn the village, but demand changes... big ones. |
This thread sure has changed since the OP. Perhaps a title change is in order? |
I was hoping no one would notice that :P |
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01/24/2008 10:04:48 AM · #100 |
 FocusPoint, what exactly is it that you are proposing? Please explain in detail what you want to change and why it will benifit anyone, maybe that will get this back on track. |
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