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01/22/2008 07:56:45 PM · #1
Dumb newbie question ahead - have read strobist and am reading that Magic and Light book, but tonight was shooting for a challenge using on camera speedlite in the dark.

I needed to shoot a smaller aperture to get more DoF and had the flash set to E-TTL. When in Program mode the meter read something like 1/60th at f4 (on a 50mm 1.8), but when I went to Av it went to over a sec for the same aperture...so forget closing it down.

What I don't get is...with the flash e-ttl, why can't it meter from her face (ir assist on flash) and assume a flash interval to give me more opportunity to loosen up the aperture?

I seem to remember that people fire a test flash and meter that..is that what I should be doing? Or is it time to get a flash meter? Or can I config it to fire a preflash somehow for metering?

Many thanks,

N
01/22/2008 08:19:59 PM · #2
In Av mode, your camera is going to meter for ambient light and set the shutter speed accordingly (thus, the longer shutter speed).

In Tv mode, your camera will try to do the same thing ... but when it reaches its limit on aperture, it'll seem as if it is acting differently (i.e. if you pick 1/60th of a second, and the aperture can't go any wider than f/2.8, then that's what it'll use, and e-TTL will make up the difference).

E-TTL simple tells the flash to fire a pre-flash, measure the light coming back, and adjust the power on the flash accordingly. Then when the shutter opens it fires the appropriate amount of power and you get a good flash exposure.

So in Av mode, e-TTL is always trying to play "fill flash" regardless of how much light there is. In Tv mode, it tries to do that, but runs up against your aperture limit.

Personally, once flash becomes the primary source of light, I simply switch to manual mode and set the shutter and aperture to what I want, and let e-TTL fill in the rest.

01/22/2008 09:55:57 PM · #3
Originally posted by dwterry:

Personally, once flash becomes the primary source of light, I simply switch to manual mode and set the shutter and aperture to what I want, and let e-TTL fill in the rest.


This is perfect...thanks oodles!

N
01/23/2008 12:21:46 AM · #4
Everything you wanted to know about Canon flash geek guide (from photonotes).

Read that and you'll have complete insight into how Canon works with flash.

Enjoy.
01/23/2008 09:25:10 AM · #5
Brilliant link - thanks a lot. Have it bookmarked and will read it thoroughly later, but for anyone else with similar confusion (exactly what dwterry said!):

"P (program) mode keeps the shutter speed between 1/60 sec and the maximum flash sync speed your camera can handle. It does this so that you shouldn’t need a tripod, even if light levels are low. It then tries to illuminate the foreground using flash.

Av (aperture priority) and Tv (shutter speed priority) modes set the shutter speed or aperture to expose for the existing light conditions correctly. They then fill in the foreground using flash. If light levels are low you will need a tripod to avoid blur.

M (manual exposure) mode lets you set both aperture and shutter speed to be whatever you want. The camera then automatically controls the illumination of the foreground subject using flash."

N

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