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10/06/2003 12:32:34 AM · #1 |
| Ok, I realize the voting has just started with this one, but I have been looking forward to this all week, I put a lot of thought into my shot and have fairly high hopes for it, shortly after the voting started I checked my stats to see that I had 1 vote with a score of 2....2???? Although I know that I am not anywhere near winning a ribbon I am sure that my photo is better than a 2!! O.K. now after a few more votes it is slowly starting to go up...just had to get that off of my chest :-), was a depressing start to the week, I guess it can only go up from here!! I hope! :-) |
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10/06/2003 12:49:55 AM · #2 |
I hope you're at least getting a comment or two....My score went up from what I thought was an abismal start for about ten votes. 3 votes later back where it started....ZERO COMMENTS!
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10/06/2003 12:52:09 AM · #3 |
I'm with you Shannon. I thought my submission was good but after nine votes I have 3.3. You just don't know what people will like. I came to the realization that if you care about your score, you can't submit anything too unusual or "outside the box". BUT, if you want constructive comments, sometimes an "outside the box" photo is a good way to get them.
Good luck on your score continuing to climb :)
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10/06/2003 01:29:34 AM · #4 |
I agree completely with all of you! I'm so god damn tired of people being so completely unartistic in any dimension on here! You would think a group of photographers can notice 'artwork' not just a photograph! Especially on a challenge like 'Dreams and Nightmares', you might just have to think outside nice flower, birds, insects and cat pictures. Believe it or not, art is supposed to enhance emotions and make you think, not just show you a pretty flower.
Lee
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10/06/2003 02:01:20 AM · #5 |
| the amazing thing is that people some how still managed to find a way to get those flower and pet shots in. the challenge was a pretty difficult one, however, there are a lot of shots that seem very forced. the only thing that makes them a dream is the title. there are some pictures that have a dream feel outside the title, but not many. |
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10/06/2003 04:11:50 AM · #6 |
Boohoo, my image is not doing well.....
If it's doing well, it's probably crap. Get over it and try harder - read a book on composition - lighting - exposure, this is DPC, where one should learn and improve ones camera skills.
To do that, you first must accept that your image/images is generaly regarded as 'not good' or crap as I prefer to call it.
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10/06/2003 05:16:10 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by nborton:
the amazing thing is that people some how still managed to find a way to get those flower and pet shots in. the challenge was a pretty difficult one, however, there are a lot of shots that seem very forced. the only thing that makes them a dream is the title. there are some pictures that have a dream feel outside the title, but not many. |
What I have noticed is that there are quite a few photos which look very much like they are rejects from the 'Urban Landscape' challenge - the link to 'Dreams and Landscapes' being stretched so thin it's almost non-existant.
Sleekr
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10/06/2003 07:56:06 AM · #8 |
I'm starting to get pretty frustrated too ..
I've found that if I get really narrow and literal and make sure to clean my image of *any* traces of ambiguity or subtlety, I *can* win --and even get ribbons.
But if I try, *at all* to deviate from the most OBVIOUS, sharp, bright, easy interpretation: *boom*, instant mediocre-to-low score.
It's starting to get really boring :/ ...
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10/06/2003 01:00:11 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
I'm starting to get pretty frustrated too ..
I've found that if I get really narrow and literal and make sure to clean my image of *any* traces of ambiguity or subtlety, I *can* win --and even get ribbons.
But if I try, *at all* to deviate from the most OBVIOUS, sharp, bright, easy interpretation: *boom*, instant mediocre-to-low score.
It's starting to get really boring :/ ... |
No kidding! Let's go vote to DQ some photos ...(JKF) |
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10/06/2003 01:16:27 PM · #10 |
I agree completely with this thread. You can tell the photos where just at the last minute someone just came up with something and submitted it..and the ones that really put some thought and artisitc creativity into their work. I do not just vote on the editing but also the creativity and setup. It took me 36 shots and alot of time , not to mention expense in props to get my shot to portray what I was reasonably satisfied with, thought I would get a decent score anyway..but so far I am holding steady at 4.4..oh well..maybe next time. Good luck everyone and chin up.....
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10/06/2003 08:00:36 PM · #11 |
Magnetic, you summed up exactly what I was saying! I'm tired of people being so impressed with a nice clear shot of a bug, WOOHOO, how original!
I try to look at each photo I vote on very closely, and really try to understand the artists message. Sometimes I will even ask the artist about it, if it isn't clear!
Personally, I would way rather enter a piece that has some artistic meaning in it and get a mediocre to low score, then enter some boring piece of well lit, sharp piece of nothing!
I wonder just how many people on DPC feel this way!
Lee
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10/06/2003 08:11:47 PM · #12 |
If all of DPC felt this way, voting would change...
or maybe people only want us to think artistically on their own shots but they don't do the same to other people's shots.
I've started noticing that a LOT of images submitted here are better stock shots than a lot of stock shots - at the same time, a lot of magazine/published shots would get thrashed here...but... if my goal is to get into something where i'm published, do I need to learn to shoot bugs really really well?
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10/06/2003 08:27:47 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
...but... if my goal is to get into something where i'm published, do I need to learn to shoot bugs really really well? |
hehehe.... that never fails to give me a chuckle! :)
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10/06/2003 11:26:40 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Shannon:
Ok, I realize the voting has just started with this one, but I have been looking forward to this all week, I put a lot of thought into my shot and have fairly high hopes for it, shortly after the voting started I checked my stats to see that I had 1 vote with a score of 2....2???? Although I know that I am not anywhere near winning a ribbon I am sure that my photo is better than a 2!! O.K. now after a few more votes it is slowly starting to go up...just had to get that off of my chest :-), was a depressing start to the week, I guess it can only go up from here!! I hope! :-) |
Don't feel bad Shannon. The same thing happened to me in this 'Dreams and Nightmares' challenge. After one vote, I had a score of 2. Little by little it has climbed to a whole 4.9. I know it's not the greatest of all photos, but I felt it was better than a 2 for sure. Someone even left a rude comment ripping it to shreds and telling me that they gave me a 1. I checked that person's stats and evidently they never give any higher than a 3 or 4 judging by their voting stats. I guess no one is good enough in their eyes. |
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10/07/2003 03:41:47 AM · #15 |
Why can't anyone here accept they have submitted a bad photo?
Simplicity, I quote you: checked that person's stats and evidently they never give any higher than a 3 or 4 judging by their voting stats. I guess no one is good enough in their eyes
Your average vote is 4
If you think every image is great how do you expect to ever improve?
Most 'pro' photographers admit to only getting 1 good shot out of every hundred or so, so for us amatures or semi-pro's that should surely be more like 1 in every 200.
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10/07/2003 08:42:56 AM · #16 |
the sad thing is - one could probably STILL do a bug macro - as long as it somehow fit the challenge -- and get a high score. people on here never seem to get tired of that stuff!
.. it's sort of bizarre if you think about it. makes you think that all the voters are little kids going 'oo! lookie da big bug!'...
Jon, I don't think it's as simple as just 'accepting one has submitted a bad photo' .. it's just a little more complex than that. Yes, one component definitely is owning up to quality or lack thereof. But that doesn't explain all the cases. There are some people who's quality of work is acknowledged, who can basically 'hit high at will', who have seen that if they try things that are outside of the rather narrow 'safe zone' , they bomb scorewise, even if they're acknowledged by brutally honest peers as being really cool shots.
Originally posted by Spanish_Grease:
Magnetic, you summed up exactly what I was saying! I'm tired of people being so impressed with a nice clear shot of a bug, WOOHOO, how original!
I try to look at each photo I vote on very closely, and really try to understand the artists message. Sometimes I will even ask the artist about it, if it isn't clear!
Personally, I would way rather enter a piece that has some artistic meaning in it and get a mediocre to low score, then enter some boring piece of well lit, sharp piece of nothing!
I wonder just how many people on DPC feel this way!
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10/07/2003 09:30:21 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
But that doesn't explain all the cases. There are some people who's quality of work is acknowledged, who can basically 'hit high at will', who have seen that if they try things that are outside of the rather narrow 'safe zone' , they bomb scorewise, even if they're acknowledged by brutally honest peers as being really cool shots. |
I agree that not all good images are ranked fairly, but then 99% are. There is another thread going on about 'robbery' and some of the images people have quoted saying 'this was my best ever picture and I can't belive it didn't ribbon' get's tedious after a while. It's a fiair point to make if you like the image, but when people say 'it's great but stupid voteres with no taste voted it down' get's my goat.
It's more the case of crap image rather than crappy voters.
As for bugs, well boring after a while yes, but everyone does like them, they are interesting to view becasue it's not something we see every day (a 500 pixel fly) and also they tend to be very colourful which is a big attraction. (as opposed to a trillion babies and cats which we see every day)
As for the safe zone, I do agree with that also, but that is photography. I firmly belive that creative photography is for your portfolio - your showcase and your canvas. But for bread winning photography, go stock or stay 'in the box' or else you will make no money, becasue the people that buy photographs generally are not artisticly educated, and more importantly nor are the general public which will be the ones viewing said images (like in an advert)
So for winning a challenge, it has to be inside the box, simple as that.
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10/07/2003 09:39:43 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Why can't anyone here accept they have submitted a bad photo?
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Yes we do !My crappy photos are getting 6 something and good ones 4 or 5 :-). |
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10/07/2003 10:44:06 AM · #19 |
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10/07/2003 03:39:30 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Why can't anyone here accept they have submitted a bad photo?
Simplicity, I quote you: checked that person's stats and evidently they never give any higher than a 3 or 4 judging by their voting stats. I guess no one is good enough in their eyes
Your average vote is 4
If you think every image is great how do you expect to ever improve?
Most 'pro' photographers admit to only getting 1 good shot out of every hundred or so, so for us amatures or semi-pro's that should surely be more like 1 in every 200. |
Yes Jonpink, I admit my average vote is 4.4 I am very much new to this site and have only recently been involved in the voting process and most of the time I give 5's as my base vote, then go up or down from there based on how it appeals to me. If you keep up with my voting stats as they change each week you will be able to see that. The 4.4 stat that I'm up to right now only reflects 2 weeks of voting that I've participated in, and I admit, when I first started voting I started out giving lower than I do now. I have absolutely no problem giving a 10, 9, 8 etc. to photos. I accept that mine are way below the quality of someone else's and I definitely will vote higher on theirs, without any regard to how mine might be doing. I have no problem accepting my photos if they are bad. And since joining this website, I feel very inadequate compared to the photographers on here. I feel I have huge room for improvement. Sometimes I just think that some people who vote are very harsh and cruel without offering even a comment or suggestion for improvement. I love for someone to leave me a comment atleast explaining their low vote, that way I know where I need to improve at. Concerning my comment about the person who had a low voting stat, his stat was at a 3.9 and he even emailed me to tell me that he does always vote low on everyone's because he feels that all the photos on this site are terrible and of very poor quality and some of the worst photos he's seen. That is what makes me upset, when someone puts their self and their opinion of their own photography so far above the rest of us that they have no room for fair judgement. That is what is unfair and really ticks me off. Not that I feel mine is so great and I'm whining about a low score, because I know it's probably deserving of a lower score, but to have others vote unfairly and so chauvinistic, is what's bad.
Message edited by author 2003-10-07 15:58:52. |
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