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01/13/2008 05:28:04 PM · #1 |
I mean no editing apart from crop and resize. Maybe there is a challenge like this, but I am new and have not seen it.
Just wanted to see if there was any interest, as it tests the mettle of a photographer. Not their editing or adding skills.
Isn't that was it is really meant to be about? |
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01/13/2008 05:32:05 PM · #2 |
| They have run a few. They are the Minimal Editing challenges. |
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01/13/2008 05:36:02 PM · #3 |
| Yes I did see that one, but it seems to be on trial, hopefully it will be a permenant thing. But it does still allow you certain tools to work with. I guess I am being too picky and in a snotty mood!!! |
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01/13/2008 05:38:32 PM · #4 |
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01/13/2008 05:42:08 PM · #5 |
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01/13/2008 06:13:13 PM · #6 |
Arr thanks guys, this is what I was after. I love it. Roll on the challenge!!!
Thanks again.
From a complete newbie |
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01/13/2008 06:13:44 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Isn't that was it is really meant to be about? |
No.
Or was that a rhetorical question? |
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01/13/2008 06:23:47 PM · #8 |
All right, I will bite.
20-40 years ago, we did not have what we have today in the form of technology. Then we had to set up the shots and really do the hard work to make it come out as the very best that it could. The lights, shading, models, the background. It all had to be the best it could be, because you couldn't alter it once the picture was taken.
Now I am all for technology and editing. But can you not see, that nowadays, it is literally just point and shoot and then improve 100% by computer.
I have done it, you have done it, countless others have done it. Oh don't like that pimple, take it out, oh shadow on the face, take it out. Colour not good enough, boost it up, take it out, add it in, carve it away.
I am am in awe of some of these PS processes and have tried to tweak some of my photos.
But like anything else we do in life, shouldn't we do the best we can the first time around and really learn about the art that we do?
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01/13/2008 06:27:55 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
20-40 years ago, we did not have what we have today in the form of technology. Then we had to set up the shots and really do the hard work to make it come out as the very best that it could. The lights, shading, models, the background. It all had to be the best it could be, because you couldn't alter it once the picture was taken.
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Post processing has always been an important part of photography. The dark room is where much of the action took place with good film photography. Just because many people just sent their film to Kmart or kodak to get the film developed and printed does not mean the techniques were not avaialbe.
Where do the concepts of dodge and burn come from? They come from black and white post processing of film in the dark room - using bits of paper to mask out sections of the photo paper/ emulsion while exposing.
Contrast filters comes from gel and glass filters added in the dark room. Sharpening and blurrning come from techniques used in the dark room as well. The techniques are not new at all - they are just made available on computer.
Please see Ansel Adams to see what post processing can do for a photo. You are asking great questions, but you got to remember it doesn't all happen in the camera, especially on film.
Edit for spelling and further clarification
Message edited by author 2008-01-13 18:33:48. |
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01/13/2008 06:37:06 PM · #10 |
//www.news.com/2300-1026_3-6033210-1.html?tag=ne.gall.pg
Pay special attention to photos 16, 17, 20, 21, and 22.
As bassbone said, most of the things in photoshop were taken from old darkroom techniques that have been applied in various forms since the early 20th century.
I spliced a negative or two in the darkroom myself in high school ;) |
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01/13/2008 06:43:55 PM · #11 |
No, no I understand that. And I understand everything has evolved from the basics of the beginnings. Everything moves on. But, there is a lot of work that can be done before the shot is taken and on the camera versus post processing.
It is what it is, you set up, you do the work, you do your homework for the shoot, you take the shot. You do the best you can there and then. Not back on the computer. Your shot is what it is.
Please, I really am not knocking PS or anything of the sort, I just personally think that a lot of skilled photographers get so used to being able to correct anything they fancy in their pictures after the fact.
There are a lot of aspects in my photography that I wish I could change, yes it could be a better picture for it Especially when my model has a zit the size of a mountain on her butt. But I change the angle, I change the lighting, the contours of her body, so her zit is not there, or has diminished to the size of a mole hill.
This is just how I like to work, not for everybody, and please do not take this as me bashing PS or anything.
It looks like the minimal editing challenges are what I am looking for. |
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01/13/2008 07:02:18 PM · #12 |
Well, I have to admit that I'm far too lazy to post-process,and so I do always try to get as much right in camera as possible. Also, taking pictures is more fun than editing them.
But I'm a great believer in leaving people to do whatever the hell they want, and then judging the finished product.
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01/13/2008 07:51:44 PM · #13 |
Take a image and do not process it ...
Oh wow I cant wait to submit by black frame
Nonsense ...
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01/13/2008 07:58:10 PM · #14 |
Wow, These threads pop up a lot lately.
Langdon, can we have a ME Challenge to put out the fire?
How about Low Contrast under ME?
Message edited by author 2008-01-13 20:03:49.
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01/13/2008 08:04:00 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
These threads pop up a lot lately?
Langdon, can we have a ME Challenge to put out the fire?
How about Low Contrast under ME? |
Nice Sig! :-P
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01/13/2008 08:25:18 PM · #16 |
| NOmad , that was just silly |
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01/13/2008 08:25:26 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Yes I did see that one, but it seems to be on trial, hopefully it will be a permenant thing. But it does still allow you certain tools to work with. I guess I am being too picky and in a snotty mood!!! |
You are not allowed to work with any tools at all. You basically take the shot, rotate if necessary, resize for DPC and sharpen (because of what resizing does). You may do NOTHING at all to the photo itself. So minimal is definately what you are looking for. |
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01/13/2008 08:29:32 PM · #18 |
| I am so sorry, I was reading the basic, not the other. |
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01/13/2008 08:30:02 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Monique64:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Yes I did see that one, but it seems to be on trial, hopefully it will be a permenant thing. But it does still allow you certain tools to work with. I guess I am being too picky and in a snotty mood!!! |
You are not allowed to work with any tools at all. You basically take the shot, rotate if necessary, resize for DPC and sharpen (because of what resizing does). You may do NOTHING at all to the photo itself. So minimal is definately what you are looking for. |
And for that matter, you can't even use USM or smart sharpen :) |
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01/13/2008 08:32:59 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I am so sorry, I was reading the basic, not the other. |
Yeah, Basic is a LOT more liberal than ME :-D
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