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01/06/2008 08:27:59 PM · #1 |
| My son started playing hockey this year. I take my camera to all of his games, and realized that it would be a good opportunity to make some money off of the parents also. Do I need to have any type of release for shots taken at a game? I plan to display them in an online gallery, with options to order directly from the website. |
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01/06/2008 08:41:28 PM · #2 |
| You could always password protect the galleries and only give the password to the parents. |
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01/06/2008 08:51:27 PM · #3 |
Generally, I'd think you'd need permission from the league and/or the arenas.
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01/06/2008 09:33:03 PM · #4 |
| I take baseball photos of the teams. I just talked to the park director and it was OK. I tell the parents I have the photos if they want to look at them. If you are putting them on the e-net I would password protect them. Some people do not like there children on the web. |
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01/06/2008 10:03:22 PM · #5 |
To shoot at the little league football games that I do, I get permission from the "commissioner" and set it up with him and the board. This does a couple of things --
1. It gives me access to the field, and I can tell other parents who want to be out there that I have prior permission.
2. It gives me "exclusivity." They usually get someone else to do the "portraits," but they don't allow anyone else to set up and sell "action" shots.
3. It allows me to set up a table or booth so that everyone knows why I am following their son (and daughter if she is a cheerleader) with a camera.
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01/06/2008 10:30:52 PM · #6 |
IANL, but I think you need a model release to sell the pictures for other than art or editorial use.
If you work with the league, they may have a model release built into the permission slip that the parent's sign to let the kids play.
But check with a lawyer, there's a lot to the legal side of things. |
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01/06/2008 10:54:04 PM · #7 |
Just a note -
I only sell the shots to the parents, and will submit to the local paper. If I am doing something other than to the parents (a contest or something), I get a model release.
Most of my online stuff is password protected, and I give the parents the password at the game. It's not a foolproof plan, but it does show some effort on my part. |
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01/07/2008 12:20:23 AM · #8 |
What you may find, and have to be careful about, is that at some events, the hosting team/facility may have special exclusivity arrangements and you may not be permitted to photograph at the event.
I intend to research this because as a parent, if I can't take a picture of my kid, than I'll be damned if I want someone else to......problem is that often the release is piggybacked with the application to the event.
I question the legality of that, but I'm afraid that it might fall under the category of, "You don't want to agree to it, then don't participate in the event.
Then the only way to get past that would be for the parents of any and all teams to boycott those paticular events.
I don't have the energy any more to organize the revolution, though......8>)
I have been dabbling around this issue with my daughter's cheerleading team and for the most part I have resigned myself to just giving the parents the occasional prints of their daughters.
It costs big bucks and is a major commitment to really gear up for, and meet the demands of doing this for pay.
Most of the cheer events that have pictures available for sale have anywhere from 2 to 5 people running 5 or 6 computer/printer combos to meet the on-the-spot demand.
I work with only my team and I'm very careful not to commit to much in the way of promised images as it's a lot more difficult to get images on demand than having the occasional exceptional shot on a casual basis.
You may also be surprised to find that as a parent, kind of a family kind of thing, that the other parents won't readily pony up realistic money for the shots from another parent.
This will be my third year doing this kind of thing as a semi-unofficial team photographer and I'm here to tell you it has turned out to be much more difficult than I thought it would be.
What I have decided is that because I have ended up sort of half adopting these kids as they are just a great group and they work hard and well together, they have become my muses, and have provided me with limitless opportunities for semi-posed, terrific portraits, the chance to learn how to use direct flash, get action shots, and in general, a crash course in an aspect of photography I wouldn't otherwise ordinarily have. I also have the undying appreciation and gratitude of many a cheer parent and their daughters for preserving some awesome moments they'll remember forever.
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What this experience and exposure has done was lead to other avenues of portraiture and the pleasure and gratitude of the parents for these was off the charts. I know that this may not be exactly what you want to hear, but sometimes, it just isn't about the money.
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I have no idea where I might have been able to get the exposure and experience that I've gained these past two years......yeah, I've been given a few dollars here and there for materials, but what I have that is so much more valuable, at least to me, is how much pure, wonderful time with some realy terrific talented, decent, hard-working kids who validate for me on a daily basis that there is hope for the world.
Oh.....one final note. I took this shot of one of the cheerleaders for her mom before the homecoming dance. The first one is as Emily is.....the second one, where I cloned out the nose piercing? Mom REALLY loves that version!
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I hope that this post helps you to see what you might find in your situation......if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't change a thing, but I don't do this for anything but to capture those really special memories for the kids and their parents, maybe I'll get the referrals to do portraits down the road. If not, I've shared some really great moments in many of these kids' lives. And for me, you can't put a price on that!
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