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01/06/2008 10:29:55 AM · #1 |
I don't think I am getting rid of my images correctly on my CF cards.
What is the best way to errase the images?
via computer, via camera?
do I errase? or simply reformat?
Thanks.
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01/06/2008 10:37:14 AM · #2 |
Are any of those the wrong way? I'm not so sure it really matters... I know a professional photographer who has her computer delete them as they are moved across to the computer. I personally don't delete them until they are backed up. So I move them to the computer. Have the computer back them up to another drive. And then I format the cards via the camera. But I'm never in a hurry to do so. I'll format the cards before the next shoot. But meanwhile, the images are in 3 locations until the next shoot and I like knowing that they still exist in 3 locations ... "just in case".
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01/06/2008 10:37:53 AM · #3 |
I have heard that formatting the card using the camera is the way to do it properly to avoid compatability errors. That is what i do and havent had any problems so far. (it also gets rid of "protected" shots). Not sure about the "official" line on it but that is my 2p :) |
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01/06/2008 10:40:11 AM · #4 |
I copy files from the CF to the PC using a card reader, then replace the CF card in the camera and format immediately. |
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01/06/2008 10:41:33 AM · #5 |
It seem odd to me that my 4 gig card only holds over 150 images since yesterday. Shouldn't it hold twice that?
I think I am doing something to make the card bad. I have noticed decreased size in a couple of my cards.
Any thoughts on this?
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01/06/2008 10:47:16 AM · #6 |
I get about 400 large RAW files on a 4g card. Your images are larger, so you'll get less, but not THAT much less. Did you reformat the card with the camera?
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01/06/2008 10:47:21 AM · #7 |
does the card format to the correct size in camera? - it usually says something like 3.7Gb on mine. |
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01/06/2008 10:50:17 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse: It seem odd to me that my 4 gig card only holds over 150 images since yesterday. Shouldn't it hold twice that?
I think I am doing something to make the card bad. I have noticed decreased size in a couple of my cards.
Any thoughts on this? |
Might be corrupted in places and unuseable. I'm only basing this on knowledge of Hard Drives. If you think it should hold more then you are probably right - my 2gig card holds about 250 shots but i am 8MP and shoot only RAW. I'm not sure if this is a good thing to do with CF cards (but i do it with HD's and Floppy's with no worries) as i dont know how they work internally, but try formatting the card via the computer... a quick format should be all you need to return every value to 0, then put it in your cam and then format it again (just incase the filing system needs to be put in by the cam). I cant offer any guarantee that this wont ruin your card as i dont know to much about CF cards in particular, but this is what i would try if i had a card as you are explaining in your position. |
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01/06/2008 10:54:41 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by idnic: I get about 400 large RAW files on a 4g card. Your images are larger, so you'll get less, but not THAT much less. Did you reformat the card with the camera? |
I shoot RAW all the time.
The differance this time round was I had my EYE-FI sd card in the other slot, along with the 4 Gig cf card.
I had to use duel processing on both cards ie., RAW/Large.
Is this the answer?
Originally posted by Falc: does the card format to the correct size in camera? - it usually says something like 3.7Gb on mine. |
Never noticed that. I will have to give a look.
Originally posted by inshaala:
Might be corrupted in places and unuseable. I'm only basing this on knowledge of Hard Drives. If you think it should hold more then you are probably right - my 2gig card holds about 250 shots but i am 8MP and shoot only RAW. I'm not sure if this is a good thing to do with CF cards (but i do it with HD's and Floppy's with no worries) as i dont know how they work internally, but try formatting the card via the computer... a quick format should be all you need to return every value to 0, then put it in your cam and then format it again (just incase the filing system needs to be put in by the cam). I cant offer any guarantee that this wont ruin your card as i dont know to much about CF cards in particular, but this is what i would try if i had a card as you are explaining in your position. |
I will take this under advisement, thank you.
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01/06/2008 10:57:45 AM · #10 |
In my Mk III I have a 4Gb CF card and a 4Gb SD card, but I only have them set to capture the RAW file, not the Raw + Large jpg. My gut feeling is that if you set it back to Raw only then you will get your full compliment. |
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01/06/2008 11:05:01 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Falc: In my Mk III I have a 4Gb CF card and a 4Gb SD card, but I only have them set to capture the RAW file, not the Raw + Large jpg. My gut feeling is that if you set it back to Raw only then you will get your full compliment. |
Hmmmm...will look into it.
The thing is, the EYE-Fi only works in Jpeg.
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01/06/2008 11:14:39 AM · #12 |
Hmmm - wouldn't fit my workflow, but I'm betting the large jpg file and a raw are going to hit capacity pretty hard. |
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01/06/2008 11:17:40 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Falc: does the card format to the correct size in camera? - it usually says something like 3.7Gb on mine. |
The ever present advertising lie... |
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01/06/2008 11:29:15 AM · #14 |
I was told never to use the PC to format because it can corrupt the cards so I never have but I also haven't bothered to look it up. |
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01/06/2008 11:35:51 AM · #15 |
You are all very well behaved - I rarely (if ever) format my cards - I simply 'move' the files from the card to my PC (which leaves the card empty) - then re-use it.
I've never had any problems.
Why would you want to repeatedly format ?
eta the only times I can remember formatting CF cards was when they didn't seem to hold enough shots - funnily enough this seemed to be caused by swapping them between different cameras. I now make sure that I don't swap them if poss.
Message edited by author 2008-01-06 11:37:55. |
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01/06/2008 12:18:07 PM · #16 |
Just like with your hard drive on your computer, a CF card can get fragmented if all you're doing is erasing old images and taking new ones. Unless you defragment the card you will end up compromising performance and space. A highly fragmented card will hold fewer images (even if all the old ones have been removed) than a formatted one. By formatting each time (in camera) you avoid this problem. |
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01/06/2008 12:49:21 PM · #17 |
As Colette posted, there are real performance-related reasons to reformat. Although the total storage space should not really change, writing small fragments is bound to be slower than writing one continuous block. I experienced this a few years back as a rather substantial slowness in my cards, and after reformatting the problem was gone. Lesson learned. Reformat in the camera to ensure the formatting is done the way the camera wants to see it. |
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01/06/2008 01:08:06 PM · #18 |
I usually do mine about the same as dwterry. I do a little different in that I keep the camera settings to bring up the card as a flash drive, and open the drive and only import the new ones off the card each day until it gets within 100 or so images of being full. At that point, I back up to the external HD and format the card with the camera. That way I always have the images in 2 places, and it don't take long to upload a days shooting. I only shoot 12meg Jpg, so the files are about 4 meg each compressed. The S3 makes 34meg files in RAW mode, which I don't need yet, so I stick with the jpg. If I know that a big shooting day is coming up, I upload, backup, and reformat the evening before.
I see two things here that sound like they may be the change you are seeing. First shooting the RAW plus jpg, and the other is having both cards in operation at the same time. Maybe the camera is limiting shots to the capacity of the card that can hold the least number of images.
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01/06/2008 02:10:51 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse: Originally posted by idnic: I get about 400 large RAW files on a 4g card. Your images are larger, so you'll get less, but not THAT much less. Did you reformat the card with the camera? |
I shoot RAW all the time.
The differance this time round was I had my EYE-FI sd card in the other slot, along with the 4 Gig cf card.
I had to use duel processing on both cards ie., RAW/Large.
Is this the answer?
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How big is the Eye-Fi card? If you're using one that's smaller in capacity than the CF card and using backup, the camera will calculate capacity according to the smaller card of the two.
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01/06/2008 04:05:16 PM · #20 |
I've read that you should only erase/format in the camera, and don't share a card between cameras.
I have been erasing my cards in camera for years and never had an issue. Lately I've been formating as it goes a lot quicker in camera than erasing. Not sure if either is bad, but since they're different I wonder if one is better for the life of the card over the other.
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01/06/2008 04:20:25 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse: It seem odd to me that my 4 gig card only holds over 150 images since yesterday. Shouldn't it hold twice that?
I think I am doing something to make the card bad. I have noticed decreased size in a couple of my cards.
Any thoughts on this? |
My 4 gig card was doing that too and a friend of mine took my camera and formatted my card. It now gets 3 hundred something. I now dedicate time to make sure I format my card before each session. |
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01/06/2008 04:27:09 PM · #22 |
Good CF Card hygiene tips:
- Before every shooting session, reformat the card while in your camera.
- Constantly deleting single files from the camera over time could lead to "Error 99" conditions
- For casual shooting (not weddings, special events, etc), have two CF cards and keep them in rotation (use one, one day, use the other, the other day). On the third day, reformat the first one and use it, etc.
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01/06/2008 05:23:15 PM · #23 |
The "best" way is to format in-camera after every use. This will minimize any errors reading/writing to the card. It's starting over with a fresh card each time. It also gets rid of any junk that Windars or the MacOS might put on it. I know that MacOS used to put a finder.dat on everything you came close to it with.
Also, you want to not completely fill each card. Leave space for 5-6 shots. This also minimizes read errors.
Memory cards are cheap enough to not have to use the "delete" function during a shoot. Plus, you might inadvertently delete something important or the entire card. Not to mention that some shots might look better on your computer than they do as previews on the LCD.
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01/06/2008 05:26:27 PM · #24 |
speaking of card errors....
i have this SD card right now taht one gig and everytime i put it in a camera it says its full, but you go to view whats on there, no images. when you look at it witha computer it says its 998mb full...of nothing. i tried reformating but im on a mac so thats a bit of a joke...any thoughts?
-CW |
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01/06/2008 05:34:52 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by chris48083: speaking of card errors....
i have this SD card right now taht one gig and everytime i put it in a camera it says its full, but you go to view whats on there, no images. when you look at it witha computer it says its 998mb full...of nothing. i tried reformating but im on a mac so thats a bit of a joke...any thoughts? |
What happens when you do an in-camera format?
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