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01/04/2008 10:33:51 PM · #1 |
This has probably come up before, but I have never heard opinions on the topic.
I dunno I think it should be just because dodge and burn are common techniques used in the darkroom. |
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01/04/2008 10:35:10 PM · #2 |
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01/04/2008 10:35:51 PM · #3 |
oops maybe i should have said
"Should Dodging and Burning be allowed in Basic Editing" |
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01/04/2008 10:39:16 PM · #4 |
considering the additions to Advanced, there might be room for passing some things down to basic, but....
No, I would think not. |
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01/04/2008 10:39:42 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by cujee:
oops maybe i should have said
"Should Dodging and Burning be allowed in Basic Editing" |
In that case, yes it should IMHO. |
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01/04/2008 10:42:54 PM · #6 |
| until *I* learn how to do it effectively, then it should absolutely not be allowed ;) |
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01/04/2008 10:43:26 PM · #7 |
I don't think it should be.
It's simple right now. Pretty much all I have to ask myself when fitting into basic editing rules now is 'have I dont any spot editing?'.
Nice and easy, no need for the change. |
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01/04/2008 10:44:49 PM · #8 |
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Message edited by author 2008-01-04 22:45:18.
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01/04/2008 10:55:04 PM · #9 |
Sometimes you don't even have to ask. ;-)
Yes, dodging and burning are common darkroom techniques. Are they basic ones? Maybe. What about cross-processing, masking, vignettes, overlays, image blending, etc.? Just because you can do it in a darkroom doesn't mean it must be allowed for a particular contest. |
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01/04/2008 11:02:31 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Sometimes you don't even have to ask. ;-)
Yes, dodging and burning are common darkroom techniques. Are they basic ones? Maybe. What about cross-processing, masking, vignettes, overlays, image blending, etc.? Just because you can do it in a darkroom doesn't mean it must be allowed for a particular contest. |
Yeah, technically spot editing, air-brushing, and subject removal can be considered time honored "darkroom" techniques. |
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01/04/2008 11:11:30 PM · #11 |
I think the problem arises from having to use some word to describe the rule set. "Basic" can have many meanings. In the context of SPC, it pretty much means "don't spot edit beyond cloning out sensor dust or hot pixels." You can use crazy color shifts, you can desaturate one or more colors, you can apply gradient maps, you can sharpen or blur or apply noise reduction to your heart's content. Just do it all globally.
In the context of DPC challenges, "basic" doesn't mean "the first techniques anyone learns in Photoshop or a darkroom."
So I'd leave the rules alone. There's no word I can think of that won't have some meaning different from what we mean here, so we might as well continue using the one we've all gotten used to. It's not unreasonable to ask new members to learn what it means on DPC.
Message edited by author 2008-01-04 23:12:25.
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01/05/2008 12:27:54 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Yeah, technically spot editing, air-brushing, and subject removal can be considered time honored "darkroom" techniques. |
But, they are not considered "basic" darkroom techniques. When I used to develop film and make prints in the darkroom (when I was in college), we learned the basics...expose the negative to the light-sensitive paper via the enlarger, dip it in all the chemical trays, and let the image get created.
Dodging, burning, masking, etc were all part of the advanced course taken later in the year (which was another semester).
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01/05/2008 01:24:48 AM · #13 |
| Pfft, it was taught in highschool one semester b/w photography course. It's also part of Kodak's "basic" darkroom class. Block light from hitting paper using your hand or a piece of cardboard. Mighty advanced technique... |
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01/05/2008 11:38:01 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Pfft, it was taught in highschool one semester b/w photography course. It's also part of Kodak's "basic" darkroom class. Block light from hitting paper using your hand or a piece of cardboard. Mighty advanced technique... |
Yeah, dodging and burning are really easy techniques in the darkroom. Putting your hand over the paper to reduce time is not that challenging :P As for airbrushing, masking and other spot editing techniques, I really have no idea how to do those in the darkroom. |
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01/05/2008 01:08:29 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Sometimes you don't even have to ask. ;-)
Yes, dodging and burning are common darkroom techniques. Are they basic ones? Maybe. What about cross-processing, masking, vignettes, overlays, image blending, etc.? Just because you can do it in a darkroom doesn't mean it must be allowed for a particular contest. |
I have to agree... and although I would like to be able to remove skin blemishes in basic... I know it's not going to happen. I think the Basic Rule Set is more of KISS ruleset and should be. I personally wouldn't mind seeing Min Ed. replace Basic often. Everyone knows that I'm no purist, but I do see the educational value in having limited editing.
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