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01/02/2008 08:55:48 PM · #1
I am about to sell my Canon 17-40mm f/4L lens. For the weddings I shoot in low light (formals, etc) it's way too slow, and I need something faster. I have thought about:

going back to the Sigma 18-50 EX DC f/2.8

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di

Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 DC

Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II (bit out of my price range for now, but i'm looking into it definitely)

Tamron 17-50/2.8?

I am open to any and every suggestion any of you fine photographer friends might have. Thanks so much ! :D

Message edited by author 2008-01-02 21:01:54.
01/02/2008 08:59:30 PM · #2
Tamron 17-50/2.8?
01/02/2008 09:00:29 PM · #3
Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II
01/02/2008 09:00:36 PM · #4
adding it to the list...thanks!
01/02/2008 09:01:57 PM · #5
1st, what had you pick a f/4 lens over the 2.8 to begin with?

I'd think you'd want to stay away from the Sigma 17-70, since you'll rarely get the 2.8 end due to zooming (unless you always shoot "In your face").
01/02/2008 09:02:19 PM · #6
The problem is, if f/4 is way too slow, f/2.8 is only a 1-stop improvement. How wide do you need to be? You might consider the "King of Wide and Fast," a.k.a. the Canon 24/1.4. Another alternative, though optically nowhere near the Canon, is the Sigma 20/1.8.
01/02/2008 09:03:31 PM · #7
kirbic, this is mainly for formals at weddings, etc. i follow your work, and respect it quite a bit...what's your favorite lens for wedding formal work?
01/02/2008 09:05:35 PM · #8
The Tamron 28-75 would not be wide enough IMO wish I would have known you may sell the 17-40 yesterday casue I needed a wider lens and went ahead and purchased a different lens yesterday.
01/02/2008 09:07:12 PM · #9
I'd have to say -- I really don't think that going to a 2.8 will offer that much improvement. The 1.4 is a great idea. You may not have to shoot wide open all the time, but you'll have the option if the lighting is really tough.
01/02/2008 09:10:22 PM · #10
Canon EF 14 mm F2.8 L II USM
01/02/2008 09:38:27 PM · #11
Originally posted by jerowe:

kirbic, this is mainly for formals at weddings, etc. i follow your work, and respect it quite a bit...what's your favorite lens for wedding formal work?


For group formals, you shouldn't need an extremely fast lens; the required apertures are going to be smaller than f/2.8 in most cases. For Bride/Groom formals, a fast lens might be useful if narrow DoF is your thing. In any case, unless you find that you're often pressed for space, I'd try not to use a wider lens than 24mm on APS-C, (or 35mm on FF) because people on the outer edges of the frame will be stretched horizontally, a very unflattering situation.
A 24-70mm f/2.8 zoom is a wonderful thing. The Tamron 28-75, or the Canon 24-70, are good choices. The Canon is, of course about 3x the price, and the Tamron is an excellent lens, particularly on APS-C where the outer corners are not a consideration.
01/02/2008 09:39:03 PM · #12
Originally posted by faidoi:

Canon EF 14 mm F2.8 L II USM


Yikes, don't try group portraits with that thing, or if you do, make sure I'm not near the edge of the frame :-P
01/02/2008 11:40:44 PM · #13
canon 17-55 2.8 IS.
You're used to canon lenses so this lens you'll like. faster than the f4 you have now, and IS too - handholding as slow as 1/5 second. You'll never have another image lost to camera shake, end result is sharper images.

The (older) sigma 18-50 2.8 isn't sharp wide open. Half the reason you get a fast lens is so you can shoot it wide open.
the tamrons (17-50, 28-75) are sharp, nice lenses. But the focus is not USM - slower, no manual all the time (a deal breaker for me as i use an Exposdisk for WB and flipping the MF/AF is a royal PITA).

On a 20D 17-50 is not wide angle, but pretty much normal. The 28-75 is almost a tele lens. The 10-22 is wide angle.
The 16-35 is a great lens, but the 17-55 is less costly, adds IS and has 10mm more length to it.

01/02/2008 11:51:39 PM · #14
The 17-55/2.8 IS is definitely a winner, optically. I don't see a huge advantage for it shooting WA though, since 1/50s is about the slowest I'd want to ever shoot people, particularly groups, so IS is of little or no benefit below 50mm for human subjects.
01/03/2008 05:19:09 AM · #15
The Tamron 17-50 F2.8 is a damned good lens for the money. I shot a wedding with just that lens and it went rather well.

In case you're wondering, the real photog pulled out, so I got a phonecall when I was on the plane going to the wedding asking if I would do it, I said yes and it went ace.

But yeah, that has my vote for a zoom, or the prime people mentioned before, but you will probably need the versatility of a zoom for weddings.
01/03/2008 09:22:37 AM · #16
Originally posted by kirbic:

The 17-55/2.8 IS is definitely a winner, optically. I don't see a huge advantage for it shooting WA though, since 1/50s is about the slowest I'd want to ever shoot people, particularly groups, so IS is of little or no benefit below 50mm for human subjects.


1/30 is as slow as I'd suggest, but i've gone as slow at 1/13 without issue. Slower than that (without strobes) even a bride standing at an altar moves and blurs!

I shoot groups slower than that all the time - with strobes. The slow shutter speed gets the ambient to record properly.
this group was 1/20 @ 5.6 ISO 400 second
01/03/2008 12:52:38 PM · #17
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

canon 17-55 2.8 IS.
You're used to canon lenses so this lens you'll like. faster than the f4 you have now, and IS too - handholding as slow as 1/5 second. You'll never have another image lost to camera shake, end result is sharper images.


I just brought back one of these from the states for a friend with a new 40D - I tried to persuade him to get a 17-40, with the L series snob argument... but he's all in for fast glass and is delighted with it. If you're a UK person get it from the US and save a fortune.

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01/03/2008 01:10:54 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:

The problem is, if f/4 is way too slow, f/2.8 is only a 1-stop improvement. How wide do you need to be? You might consider the "King of Wide and Fast," a.k.a. the Canon 24/1.4. Another alternative, though optically nowhere near the Canon, is the Sigma 20/1.8.


Eventhough, it is a modestly priced lens the Canon 28mm f/2.8 works out great as a normal lens and is what I tend to use for group formals. I'd like wider at times, but never found it terribly necessary, so I haven't decided if I want to go WA zoom or prime for the wide end yet.

Jerowe, if you are seeing that the f/4 lens isn't "fast enough" for formals, I'd suggest investing in lighting rather than glass at the moment.

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01/03/2008 01:19:08 PM · #19
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