View to Vote Ratio Exercise - DPChallenge Forums

12/28/2007 10:22:35 AM · #1

Hello Folks,
Granted I'm a geek and things that intrigue me are a bore to some others but what the heck. I thought it might be fun to look for vote/view/score patterns so I created a simple fun exercise.

My results, which may only be a fluke, were surprising.

Why don't you follow along then run these simply calculations and see how yours turn out. Share your conclusion.

louisp

HERE WE GO:

QUALIFIER:
For the exercise you must have participated in more than one challenge. actually the more the better.

DATA
The following data is needed for each entry:
(1) Votes (average of all)
(2) Views (all)
(3) Score (for all voters)

Data may be from both completed or in progress challenges.

CALCULATION:
Votes divided by Views equals Ratio

(NOTE:For the example I will use values from four of my challenges)

SEGMENT ONE:
Votes: 188
Views: 328
Avg Vote: 4.7349
Votes to Views Ratio: 0.5731

SEGMENT TWO:
Votes: 110
Views: 180
Avg Vote: 5.5455
Votes to Views Ratio: 0.6111

SEGMENT THREE:
Votes: 86
Views: 115
Avg Vote: 5.1395
Votes to Views Ratio: 0.7478

SEGMENT FOUR:
Votes: 115
Views: 197
Avg Vote: 5.5913
Votes to Views Ratio: 0.5837

COMPARISON OF SCORES TO RATIO:
SEGMENT ONE:
SCORE: 4.7349 (lowest score/lowest(overall) ratio)
RATIO: 0.5731

*SEGMENT TWO:
SCORE: 5.5455 (second avg score/second highest ratio)
RATIO: 0.6111

*SEGMENT THREE: (third avg score/highest ratio)
SCORE: 5.1395
RATIO: 0.7478

*SEGMENT FOUR: (highest average score/third highest ratio)
SCORE: 5.5913
RATIO: 0.5837

CONCLUSION:
In this limited exercise the conclusion is that in *three out of four challenges the lower the vote/view ratio the higher the score.

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 13:46:58.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

12/28/2007 10:37:39 AM · #2

You're more than welcome to "datamine" my challenge results. Have fun (there's only 311 to look at). :-P

12/28/2007 10:41:01 AM · #3

Originally posted by glad2badad:

You're more than welcome to "datamine" my challenge results. Have fun (there's only 311 to look at). :-P

If the data were easily accessible I'd be glad to. Unfortunately, since it's not, the task of transferring the data in itself would be a challenge.

lp

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 10:43:01.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

12/28/2007 11:06:24 AM · #4

A couple comments:

Originally posted by louisp:

CALCULATION:
Views divided by Votes equals Views to Votes Ratio

1. You have stated the process of determining the ratio incorrectly; you are actually dividing the number of votes by the number of views.

Originally posted by louisp:

CONCLUSION:
In this limited exercise the conclusion is that in *three out of four challenges the lower the vote/view ratio the higher the score.

2. As far as challenges already completed, these results will of course skew in favor of your conclusion, because in general the higher the score an image receives, the more views it will receive after voting is finished.

So, really, if this is a valid observation, it is only true while voting is underway. And even so, it's not really a cause-and-effect thing, which may be what you are implying (I'm not sure if you are or not), because really what's going on is that better images get repeat viewers even during voting.

R.

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

12/28/2007 11:22:50 AM · #5

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

..... really what's going on is that better images get repeat viewers even during voting....

I think boobies get extra views too, no matter what the technical quality. ;-)

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

12/28/2007 11:28:40 AM · #6

I agree with "Bear's" last post. Even the views while the photo is in voting can be deceiving because the voter may have a quick look at all images of interest in the thumbs and open them, then open the good ones more than once while deciding how they compare in order to score them. At least that is how I vote, and not just one time thru all of the images in a challenge or one at a time, one time then vote, from first to last image.

I guess that what I am trying to say in a few words would be; I may view an image 3 or 4 times before I make a final decision about scoring it.

The stat calculation is interesting though, and I suppose that it would balance out for all entries except the very worst ones in a challenge in about the same way, because the worst rarely get a second look.

I guess that I just said a whole lot of nothing LOL. : )

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 11:29:15.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

12/28/2007 12:51:11 PM · #7

My question is: What will this statistic tell us?

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

12/28/2007 12:57:42 PM · #8

Originally posted by yospiff:

My question is: What will this statistic tell us?

Nothing :-)

R.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

12/28/2007 01:00:27 PM · #9

Originally posted by yospiff:

My question is: What will this statistic tell us?

If he's using the number of views off his profile page, it's a no-brainer. Higher scoring images will attract more views after voting, and so...
- Higher scoring images will have more views, thus lowering the votes/views ratio. Assuming he's dividing votes by views, which apparently he is, though the instructions say the inverse.
- Images that have been on a profile page longer will have more views, but of course don't gain votes, which muddles the situation somewhat, but still, better images (which should correlate with higher scores) will garner more views than poor ones.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

12/28/2007 01:32:09 PM · #10

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by yospiff:
My question is: What will this statistic tell us?

If he's using the number of views off his profile page, it's a no-brainer. Higher scoring images will attract more views after voting, and so...
- Higher scoring images will have more views, thus lowering the votes/views ratio. Assuming he's dividing votes by views, which apparently he is, though the instructions say the inverse.
- Images that have been on a profile page longer will have more views, but of course don't gain votes, which muddles the situation somewhat, but still, better images (which should correlate with higher scores) will garner more views than poor ones.

You Yanko'd me Kirbic...

R.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

12/28/2007 01:35:28 PM · #11

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

You Yanko'd me Kirbic...

R.

LOL, I see I did! Sorry for that Robert!

ETA: ...and Happy Holidays my friend...

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 13:35:59.

12/28/2007 02:00:53 PM · #12

Originally posted by kirbic:

Thank you for noticing I reversed view and vote in the formula. It has been corrected.

The data were taken from active challenge figures and from a past challenge. Data fields from the past challenge were: Avg (all users)(i.e.score):, Views during voting:and Votes:.

As provided, the subject excerise is just that only a simple fun to do excerise. In order to obtain a true trend hundreds or thousands of segments (challenge results) would need to be processed and even then its just information. At this time I do not know how the data would be useful.

lp

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 14:05:02.

12/28/2007 02:06:35 PM · #13

Originally posted by louisp:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by yospiff:
My question is: What will this statistic tell us?

If he's using the number of views off his profile page, it's a no-brainer. Higher scoring images will attract more views after voting, and so...
- Higher scoring images will have more views, thus lowering the votes/views ratio. Assuming he's dividing votes by views, which apparently he is, though the instructions say the inverse.
- Images that have been on a profile page longer will have more views, but of course don't gain votes, which muddles the situation somewhat, but still, better images (which should correlate with higher scores) will garner more views than poor ones.

Thank you for noticing I reversed view and vote in the formula. It has been corrected.

Hah! :-) Double Yanko'd...

And Happy New year to you too, Kirbic :-)

R.

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

12/28/2007 05:04:49 PM · #14

Bear Music

Just for grins what does Yanko'ed mean?

louisp

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

12/28/2007 06:02:58 PM · #15

I was about to ask the same thing...

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

12/28/2007 06:08:36 PM · #16

Yanko (v): to post something intelligent, witty, or otherwise relevant to the conversation that is ignored, only to have someone else post the same thing soon afterward and receive accolades.

I'm assuing

yanko has had it happen to him a number of times, so that's where it comes from.

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 18:09:16.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/28/2007 06:13:01 PM · #17

To be "yanko-d" means you post something to a thread, only to be ignored. Then, when the exact same thing is posted later in the thread, by someone else, it is recognized as the greatest post EVER!

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

12/28/2007 06:15:06 PM · #18

In other words, what karmat just did to me. :P

Of course, Bear_Music is guilty of premature e-yanko-cation, since he didn't wait for kirbic to actually get applauded for his post before complaining about it.

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 18:16:50.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

12/28/2007 06:16:16 PM · #19

Originally posted by levyj413:

Actually, [user]routerguy666[/user] is the one who originally coined the term although it's probably more fitting if people would just continue to forget that. :P

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/28/2007 06:18:56 PM · #20

e-yanko-cation -- hahahahahahhahahahahhahaha

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

12/28/2007 06:30:33 PM · #21

Originally posted by karmat:

To be "yanko-d" means you post something to a thread, only to be ignored. Then, when the exact same thing is posted later in the thread, by someone else, it is recognized as the greatest post EVER!

Awesome definition, thanks! You rule,

karmat!

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/28/2007 06:32:55 PM · #22

NOW levyj4122837636202038 has officially been yanko-d.

I knew I could count on you slippy. :)

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

12/28/2007 06:33:05 PM · #23

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by karmat:
To be "yanko-d" means you post something to a thread, only to be ignored. Then, when the exact same thing is posted later in the thread, by someone else, it is recognized as the greatest post EVER!

Awesome definition, thanks! You rule, karmat!

;)

Now THAT's a proper yankoing. Slippy, you are an expert yankoer.

Message edited by author 2007-12-28 18:33:50.