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12/17/2007 02:03:26 PM · #26 |
It does leave a bad taste when an established and serious site member gets a drive-by spamming from some doofus with a bug in his butt.
Not sure how you fix it... I don't like the idea of users moderating their own comments but I guess maybe that would help (I did read the earlier post making it clear that that's not going to happen). I'd hate to put thought into some constructive criticism just to have it deleted, but OTOH that person's not going to listen anyway. |
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12/17/2007 02:06:21 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by electrolost:
On the same note if someone leaves you a comment about technique and you look at their pictures and you find the same flaws or worse then you should be allowed to post a comment back. I think that is why having rules about commenting can be tricky. I also believe that getting a honest opinion on a piece of art is priceless because isn't that the point? If you drown out all the opinions you don't like then know one gets anywhere. perhaps I rambled but this subject is very touchy it is a issue of freedom of speech which we all should have even your enemies... |
But that's a very different issue than what's being talked about here. The thing is, you can leave comments politely or you can leave them simply to hurt someone. It is the latter that are not acceptable. If you say something like, "I like the concept behind the image but the composition as it is doesn't bring it out well in my opinion; not centring the subject might work better." it's a lot better than if you say, "Dude, your image sucks! CENTRED?!?!?!?! Who would think of doing that!!!!!"
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12/17/2007 02:10:00 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by electrolost:
I am confused so some idiot puts up a bunch of bad comments on your best pictures and this effects you how? I would think that it would only make the person who left look like a Jack@#$. Anyways that is jusy my thought on that.. |
It doesn't affect me, personally, hardly at all. I laughed. But in the big picture, I have found that when I make critical comments about images a LOT of the shooters come back at me, more often in PMs, disputing what I have said, or calling my a moron, whatever. And of course this guy spammed my pictures... Makes me not want to bother offering critque, life's too short.
R. |
What this guy did is just pointless and shallow. I hope this doesn't deter you from commenting in the future. You're insight and knowledge is a tremendous commodity on this site. I personally have learned quite a bit about PP and photography in general from you posts. ***SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT*** Feel free to comment on my stuff anytime- I can assure you it would be appreciated. :)
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12/17/2007 02:13:43 PM · #29 |
The proper way to retaliate to a comment you don't like on your photo is to reply to that comment in the thread of your photo comments. Dropping few F-bombs is good form.
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12/17/2007 02:19:12 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I have found that when I make critical comments about images a LOT of the shooters come back at me, more often in PMs, disputing what I have said, or calling my a moron, whatever. And of course this guy spammed my pictures... Makes me not want to bother offering critque, life's too short. |
Hey Bear or anyone else - Please comment/critique anything I have. I am trying to improve and the "nice shot" stuff I can get from my family. For me it's about the comments far more then the score... so have at anything with whatever you got... seriously! Please don't reduce/stop/politically-correct commenting because of some yahoo.
I wish there was a way to encourage more comments (I have been trying a bit harder recently to give comments when I think I can add something) but there are a LOT of images around here and fewer people that want to comment. I like the idea to enable comments off on specific images... as someone mentioned, it would allow more time for others that want comments and for images where you don't want to hear it.
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12/17/2007 02:29:21 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Retaliatory commenting is NOT ACCEPTABLE. The comments in question have been deleted, and the situation will be dealt with. |
Originally posted by L2:
Retaliatory comments are completely unacceptable, and will be dealt with. |
Can I make a suggestion? |
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12/17/2007 02:32:54 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by ursula:
Retaliatory commenting is NOT ACCEPTABLE. The comments in question have been deleted, and the situation will be dealt with. |
Originally posted by L2:
Retaliatory comments are completely unacceptable, and will be dealt with. |
Can I make a suggestion? |
May *I* make one? Correct the spelling on "Mea"... This snide comment brought to you by the bear, who studied Latin for 6 dreadful years. :-)
R.
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12/17/2007 02:33:11 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by ursula:
Retaliatory commenting is NOT ACCEPTABLE. The comments in question have been deleted, and the situation will be dealt with. |
Originally posted by L2:
Retaliatory comments are completely unacceptable, and will be dealt with. |
Can I make a suggestion? |
Not good enough. Come up with something better, and we'll think about it. :))))
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12/17/2007 02:34:25 PM · #34 |
 Art Roflmao and Bear_Music having a conversation...
where is my popcorn and beer :) |
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12/17/2007 02:35:23 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by robs:
Hey Bear or anyone else - Please comment/critique anything I have. I am trying to improve and the "nice shot" stuff I can get from my family. For me it's about the comments far more then the score... so have at anything with whatever you got... seriously! Please don't reduce/stop/politically-correct commenting because of some yahoo. |
I have no problem providing critique on images posted to the forums and asking for same. My problem is limited to providing valid critique on middle-of-the-road (or worse) anonymous images in challenges, and then getting in-your-face retaliation.
R.
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12/17/2007 02:36:14 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
May *I* make one? Correct the spelling on "Mea"... |
That's a typical, everyday catalogue suggestion! |
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12/17/2007 02:38:55 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
May *I* make one? Correct the spelling on "Mea"... |
That's a typical, everyday catalogue suggestion! |
Idiot! What's the point of a cat-a-logue if I order your cat and it turns out to be a dog? Or a log, for that matter?
R.
Message edited by author 2007-12-17 14:39:39.
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12/17/2007 02:44:17 PM · #38 |
I'm losing interest in entering challenges because of the decreasing number of comments, and especially constructive comments, I receive. Obviously the last thing I want is for people to stop commenting!
What has long been needed is a flag that can be set saying that the photographer welcomes or does not welcome comments, with the default being no comments. That way commenters can spend their time where it is welcome and those people who don't want to receive comments won't get them.
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12/17/2007 02:47:14 PM · #39 |
| I have no further comment |
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12/17/2007 02:48:56 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by talmy:
What has long been needed is a flag that can be set saying that the photographer welcomes or does not welcome comments, with the default being no comments. That way commenters can spend their time where it is welcome and those people who don't want to receive comments won't get them. |
I know that's probably been suggested before, but I do think it's a pretty cool idea. Just don't know how hard it would be to implement. |
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12/17/2007 02:52:00 PM · #41 |
Ok, here is my suggestion for DPCPodcast... Art ( Art Roflmao), Bear ( Bear_Music) and fotomann([user]fotomann_forever[/user]), just having a "normal" conversation, asking question to each other... Oh man, now that would be AWESOME :)
JOUUUU-DEIIIIII where are you. I think I found an excellent trio for your show :) |
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12/17/2007 03:16:18 PM · #42 |
There are people that are on this site, that I NEVER EVER recieve comments from, like they are too good to comment on the average picture, I could name names, but I would NEVER EVER list any of them. Hey, I learn from the ones I look up to, they don't comment, why should I??? (just saying)
I really did slow way down on commenting and voting, after recieving some odd e-mail from a user from this site, a couple months back, saying that there is alot and going to be alot of screwing around with the voting. I'm just kinda sitting back and watching, and it turns out since that e-mail, things have really gone down hill, the person that e-mailed me was basically warning me, but claimed they had nothing to do with it, just knew about about it, and since then, I haven't noticed them in challenges or forums. I don't even know the person, just an out of the blue e-mail, don't know why someone would be looking out for me, not really liked too much here, I know that, and it does not bother me one bit. Good day!
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12/17/2007 03:22:00 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by liberty:
There are people that are on this site, that I NEVER EVER recieve comments from, like they are too good to comment on the average picture, ... |
edited post ... never mind, i don't care
Message edited by author 2007-12-17 15:25:29.
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12/17/2007 03:26:07 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by liberty:
There are people that are on this site, that I NEVER EVER recieve comments from, like they are too good to comment on the average picture, ... |
why on earth would you immediately jump to this conclusion? |
I don't know.... thats what came out...... |
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12/17/2007 03:27:40 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by liberty:
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by liberty:
There are people that are on this site, that I NEVER EVER recieve comments from, like they are too good to comment on the average picture, ... |
why on earth would you immediately jump to this conclusion? |
I don't know.... thats what came out...... |
I find that if I wrap my entries in tin foil they don't get screwed around on.
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12/17/2007 03:30:04 PM · #46 |
And here I thought it was also against the forum rules to call out someone in the forums. Although none of that has been mentioned in this thread at all. Obviously the poster who commented on the said portfolio shots was called out in this post and many know who he/she is because of the replies. But not a word has been said about this post being started at all.
MattO
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12/17/2007 03:37:15 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by MattO:
And here I thought it was also against the forum rules to call out someone in the forums. Although none of that has been mentioned in this thread at all. Obviously the poster who commented on the said portfolio shots was called out in this post and many know who he/she is because of the replies. But not a word has been said about this post being started at all.
MattO |
Actually, Ursula said something: "Everybody remember, it also doesn't serve any good purpose to lay into the guy who made the retaliatory commenting, and point out how awful he is or whatever." |
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12/17/2007 03:46:55 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by MattO:
And here I thought it was also against the forum rules to call out someone in the forums. Although none of that has been mentioned in this thread at all. Obviously the poster who commented on the said portfolio shots was called out in this post and many know who he/she is because of the replies. But not a word has been said about this post being started at all.
MattO |
Actually, Ursula said something: "Everybody remember, it also doesn't serve any good purpose to lay into the guy who made the retaliatory commenting, and point out how awful he is or whatever." |
You are correct, I missed that post when I read through it, and yet the post which is against the rules still goes on rather then being locked and not discussed further.
MattO
Edit to quote Forum rule 11
"Do not attack other users. This includes "calling out" specific comments or commenters in a hostile manner. Personal attacks are never appropriate in a constructive discussion. If you disagree with another participant, address their points without attacking them personally. Be aware that others may have differing opinions of a personal attack, so use care when posting. Please note that this includes publicly "calling out" commenters (whether by name or not) in a hostile way."
Message edited by author 2007-12-17 15:48:44.
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12/17/2007 03:57:24 PM · #49 |
| Robert wasn't hostile, and this thread isn't mean-spirited. I kind of disagree with not bringing anti-social behaviour to the attention of others in the forums. I don't think it should be tolerated. It's fine to let SC handle every and all situations and to create rules around that sentiment, but in my view it also helps define what acceptable behavior on the site is when you can point to examples of both extremely good and extremely bad behaviour. |
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12/17/2007 04:03:16 PM · #50 |
I can't understand retaliatory commenting on a polite comment. You do need a thick skin around here, we all think our stuff is top notch and then find out in the challenge that it's not as great as we thought. I'm adjusting my expectations here, the standards are high. The nice thing is, if I get positive feedback here, then I KNOW it is good.
I almost wanted to do the same once, when someone commented on my entry as "blurry". I could not find anything blurry. (In fact, I have the image on the wall here at work, and still can't see blurry in it) Once the challenge was over, I had a huge laugh when I saw the out of focus shot that person had entered. I let it go. It was the persons honest opinion, although I would still love to know why my shot was considered blurry.
For the record. I like comments, even the negative ones are good to get.
Message edited by author 2007-12-17 16:05:37. |
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