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 12/12/2007 07:44:48 AM · #26
Originally posted by Simms:
Ignore me, I'm just an old cynic :)


Valid point. Out of the two words, 'portrait' is any day more uncommon than 'self'. So language is not the issue here
 12/12/2007 08:55:13 AM · #27
Well, he beat me and I'd have MUCH preferred to have used a better looking model than the one I had. :P
 12/12/2007 08:57:17 AM · #28
Originally posted by manish:
Originally posted by Simms:
Ignore me, I'm just an old cynic :)


Valid point. Out of the two words, 'portrait' is any day more uncommon than 'self'. So language is not the issue here


however, self could be taken to mean 'by you'
 12/12/2007 09:01:23 AM · #29
The first two shots ARE twins, it was discussed a few days ago.

The other not being a self portrait is well - the photographer's choice, isn't it. The fact that one person out of 250+ made that choice means DPC is going to hell in a handbasket? That's a little harsh and maybe overstating the current condition??
 12/12/2007 09:01:30 AM · #30
Hello, people, a ribbon winner for 2-second exposure didn't use a 2 second exposure. The rules are clear on this point. No DQ.
 12/12/2007 09:07:40 AM · #31
Just to add my .02...

No, it's certainly not within the spirit of the rules to take a shot of someone else for a self-portrait challenge (that would be a nice thing for those of us who aren't as aesthetically appealing, but obviously not the intention of the challenge).

I had the same thoughts about this shot when I was looking through the challenge, but what're ya gonna do. It's not a DQ'able offense. Shy of hiring a private investigator, it would be pretty hard to prove or disprove whether a self portrait really is a self portrait.
 12/12/2007 09:08:45 AM · #32
Ahhh man, tigmo's SP was my blue ribbon shot...and one of my 10s for the challenge. I couldn't wait to find out who the toothless rancher with such a genuine expression was...I was going for that genuine look too, but my model couldn't pull it off...(well the horse did but I didn't)...

12/12/2007 09:10:43 AM · #33
Originally posted by idnic:
The first two shots ARE twins, it was discussed a few days ago.

The other not being a self portrait is well - the photographer's choice, isn't it. The fact that one person out of 250+ made that choice means DPC is going to hell in a handbasket? That's a little harsh and maybe overstating the current condition??


No, I wasnt talking about the one shot, but that really is representative of how people will shoeshorn shots into challenges, a lot of people are really not making the effort these days. Go back to some of the earlier challenges, you will see, generally, that a lot of people went out to shoot specifically for the challenge, these days people will go through their shots for the week and see how they can make it fit by means of a title. But the fact people are now willing to let this go shows they really dont care about things like this.

The SP thing is a tiny fraction of the whole problem. I know from conversations that I am not the only one thinking like this.
 12/12/2007 09:35:40 AM · #34
Originally posted by karenk:
We thought it would be fun to do our ps the same to see what the reactions would be did not think people would think we were the same person and asked to be validated. LOL. Was still great fun.


That's great, Karen! Or is it SF? ;-)

12/12/2007 09:55:21 AM · #35
I don't see why people go out of their way to break the rules? As if it is a game to see how much they can get away with?

I agree - that in this instance, If that photo can be proved not to be of the photographer, it should be disqualified. Not because it DNMC, but more that the photog deliberately went out of his way to decieve and break the rules!
 12/12/2007 09:58:17 AM · #36
Originally posted by pix-al:
I don't see why people go out of their way to break the rules? As if it is a game to see how much they can get away with?

I agree - that in this instance, If that photo can be proved not to be of the photographer, it should be disqualified. Not because it DNMC, but more that the photog deliberately went out of his way to decieve and break the rules!


Well said. and thats my point, nothing will happen, no one who matters on the site seems to care anymore, lets face it, a lot of `those` gave up photography, or at least entering challenges a long time ago.. whats it matter to them (ignoring the very occasional DPL stuff)

Message edited by author 2007-12-12 09:59:13.
 12/12/2007 10:00:19 AM · #37
What do you mean by that... and what should we be doing that we aren't? I can't help but feel a little insulted as an SC member that you'd suggest that nobody cares about the site.

Originally posted by Simms:
Well said. and thats my point, nothing will happen, no one who matters on the site seems to care anymore
12/12/2007 10:04:58 AM · #38
man, I should have taken a picture of a chinchila then used it as a self portrait. :/
 12/12/2007 10:05:56 AM · #39
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by manish:

Maybe the picture in his profile is not the real one! There are no specific rules that the profile pic has to be a real one. At least i cud have got away with such a picture- lol. I think we can let it go ( for lack of clear and unambigous rules


I was going to mention this also, the pic in my profile sure isn't me. Also I believe that not meeting the the challenge details (DNMC) isn't reason for a DQ...unless the rules saw so.


The pic in my profile IS Me! :P
 12/12/2007 10:35:04 AM · #40
Originally posted by alanfreed:
What do you mean by that... and what should we be doing that we aren't? I can't help but feel a little insulted as an SC member that you'd suggest that nobody cares about the site.

Originally posted by Simms:
Well said. and thats my point, nothing will happen, no one who matters on the site seems to care anymore


editted out as its going to upset far too many people, I just wanna take photos and have everyone stick to the spirit of things, its not to much to ask is it?

sorry if I offended you alan.

Message edited by author 2007-12-12 10:52:12.
 12/12/2007 10:47:59 AM · #41
Couldn't this have been handled with an inquiry to the photographers or a ticket to SC?

I find it interesting how something like this ends up as a springboard to bash the SC.

A member's choice of profile photo or whether or not SC members submit to challenges are petty gripes, IMHO. While complaining about the site, we should add this thread to the pile.
 12/12/2007 10:50:30 AM · #42
Originally posted by rox_rox:
Couldn't this have been handled with an inquiry to the photographers or a ticket to SC?

I find it interesting how something like this ends up as a springboard to bash the SC.

A member's choice of profile photo or whether or not SC members submit to challenges are petty gripes, IMHO. While complaining about the site, we should add this thread to the pile.


or brush it under the carpet... whatever.
 12/12/2007 10:51:32 AM · #43
Originally posted by Simms:
.....Maybe what I am trying to say is, its time to have a clearout in the SC, get some more photographically active members in there and get some new blood & opinions. I think people are fed up being told what rules to stick to by people who dont have to stick to them as they dont enter challenges.. I can names name if you like, but everyone knows who I am talking about, but people like you Alan, Ursula, Shannon, Ben and roughly 75% of the SC who do enter challenges still have a place on the `board` and I respect mightily. Others, well, I generally take what they say with a big ole pinch of salt. I even think if some of those members were not SC, then they wouldn't visit this site at all.....


FWIW 90% of SC have entered Challenges this year...and 100% within the last 2 years...
 12/12/2007 10:53:18 AM · #44
Originally posted by doctornick:


FWIW 90% of SC have entered Challenges this year...and 100% within the last 2 years...


Beautifully taken out of context... nice one.. Like I said, cant be bothered with the politics..
 12/12/2007 11:11:50 AM · #45
Originally posted by posthumous:
Hello, people, a ribbon winner for 2-second exposure didn't use a 2 second exposure. The rules are clear on this point. No DQ.


well tbh if people arnt going to follow the theme, whats the point in having them :D
 12/12/2007 11:15:44 AM · #46
As far as shoehorning entries in. That has been going on for, well, since the inception of the site.

As someone who has been here almost the entire time, it seems to me to be about the same, or even a bit less.

There was a time when shots were dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. For all of those of you who rue the SC NOW, accusing us of being inconsistent and subjective, can you imagine what it was like THEN? (Even though I'm not sure SC was in existence then, or it was very new).

*I* think self-portrait was pretty clear. *I* think it is not in the spirit of the challenge to enter a picture of someone else. But, I *know* that there is not a rule that says if it doesn't meet the challenge it will be dq'ed. Therefore, we cannot dq it, just because we want to. That would be totally unfair, and just flat out wrong.

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The photog in question has not responded, so I am assuming this thread has not been seen.

But, for all of you that like to think out of the box, and have complained that dpc does not, let's stretch a little more.

Self-portrait. A picture that shows myself, or depicts myself. How do I view myself? Why can't a "self-portrait" be something other than an actual representation of my physical being? If I feel old, why couldn't a shot of an elderly woman represent me? If I'm feeling young, a picture of a toddler? If I'm feeling wise, a picture of a sage?

Granted, that is a bit more "metaphysical" than we normally see, and not a "normally accepted view in the photographic world" but hasn't the cry been made to free dpc for artistic vision?

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Not sure why the tenure of SC has a bearing on this situation. Whether a member has been SC for 5 years or 5 months, it simply doesn't matter. We are not allowed to dq a picture for not meeting the challenge. I guess we could change that rule, but frankly, I don't think that is a good or productive road to go down. We represent the site, but we are not a "collective" bin of knowledge. while we can think of a lot of different interpretations, we can't think of them all. It's difficult enough to dq pictures as it is, I really don't want to add another reason to dq shots.
 12/12/2007 11:23:04 AM · #47
I think they have responded. They are twins and they are self-portraits.

Check their profiles now.

Edit to add: This strikes me as a textbook example of what happens when people ASSume;)

Message edited by author 2007-12-12 11:24:17.
 12/12/2007 11:33:29 AM · #48
Well said karmat
 12/12/2007 11:35:35 AM · #49
Originally posted by karmat:


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The photog in question has not responded, so I am assuming this thread has not been seen.

But, for all of you that like to think out of the box, and have complained that dpc does not, let's stretch a little more.

Self-portrait. A picture that shows myself, or depicts myself. How do I view myself? Why can't a "self-portrait" be something other than an actual representation of my physical being? If I feel old, why couldn't a shot of an elderly woman represent me? If I'm feeling young, a picture of a toddler? If I'm feeling wise, a picture of a sage?

Granted, that is a bit more "metaphysical" than we normally see, and not a "normally accepted view in the photographic world" but hasn't the cry been made to free dpc for artistic vision?

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Well said karmat. I don't even think a "self" portrait even need include a person at all. A lovely shot of someone's favorite things , or the environment they live in can say so much more about that person then a simple head shot, glam shot, what have you. I don't know, portraits are so much more than just "face", and by the definition of some, ALL of the face. I would hate to be trapped in such a tiny box as that.
 12/12/2007 12:23:52 PM · #50
I personally agree with Simms to a point. The spirit of the site and the challenges has changed, even in the short 2 years I have been here. While shoehorning in a shot was always done, I feel its now being widely accepted and even voted highly. Seems we can put a flower, water drop, nude, ect. into just about every challenge and they get voted high, in the past they were usually voted down and landed somewhere in the middle and werent rewarded when they dont meet the challenge. Now its essentially a free study all the time with technically good photos with good editing ending up in the upper amount wether they meet the challenge or not.

I dont however feel this is an SC concern, its a site concern where it should be mandatory that a DNMC is DQable on every challenge thats not a free study. Sticking to the spirit of the site should be important and not an afterthought.

MattO
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