Two interesting criminal cases to watch

11/19/2007 01:08:15 PM · #1

Many differences between the two, but the common factor is age.

Georgia Boys Charged With Rape

California Boy Charged With Sodomy

Note in the following article a doctor states the boys "may be physically able to perform such an act, they cannot be aroused sexually."

The doctors remarks

Everyone should be asking, where are the kids learning this behavior. Children are our ultimate treasure, their safety should be our first and foremost concern. What's next 3 year olds?

Simms

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11/19/2007 01:32:02 PM · #2

Originally posted by garrywhite2:

Everyone should be asking, where are the kids learning this behavior.

Easy. The TV and Internet.

Ange & I strictly monitor what our kids watch or are exposed to. Yes maybe we wrap them up in cotton wool slightly, but compared to some of the kids at Rickys (my eldest, 10 years old) school I am glad we do.. I know some of the kids in his class cannot believe he isn't allowed to play games such as Grand Theft Auto and Manhunt, he comes home and questions us aand tries to make us feel guilty about it, how do you tell a 10 year old that sh*gging a hooker in your car then beating her up afterwards is not acceptable behaviour (I believe that happens in the game). They shouldn't even need to have that explained to them. Ditto to some of the films the other kids watch. Our rating system over here is slightly differnt to the US, we have U, PG12, 15 & 18, as far as we are concerned if its 15 or over, Ricky cannot watch it. PG12 we watch in advance and then decide.. other parent dont care what their kids are watching, and thus breeds this behaviour..

David Ey

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11/19/2007 01:55:54 PM · #3

.....and the music and video games.

Chinabun

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11/19/2007 02:00:14 PM · #4

their own parents

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11/19/2007 02:00:25 PM · #5

Re the Lupin HIlls "sodomy" case, note these two quotes:

Attorney Adam Sacks is representing one of the boys accused of the crime. He said the family will file a lawsuit against the school district on the grounds of "negligent supervision."

and

"There was no sodomy," the father said. "Everybody there was consensual. I don't approve, but no crime was committed."

sigh...

R.

Spork99

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11/19/2007 02:14:36 PM · #6

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's the "not my kid, he's a good boy" syndrome.

11/19/2007 02:15:05 PM · #7

What's easier to believe? A bunch of stupid kids playing doctor and poking each other in the butt or an 8 year old held 10 other kids hostage in the bathroom and sodomized them?

I'll readily believe anything is possible these days, but to me it seems more likely that this is major over reaction on the part of officials.

11/19/2007 02:20:09 PM · #8

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Well, yeah, but that's not my point. My points are:

1. Blame the school because they don't have surveillance in restrooms? Sheesh, school districts are financially overextended already...

2. Since when is a crime not a crime if it is consensual? If this was a teenager taking on 8-yr olds, consent would never even enter the equation, even if it was the KID that "started it"...

I do agree with you that it's perfectly possible this incident has been blown out of proportion. It's the REACTIONS to it that are boggling me.

R.

11/19/2007 02:22:49 PM · #9

I didn't catch the surveillance thing in the article, but yeah that's over the top.

I took the consensual bit as a description of the 'playing doctor' situation - they were all willing playmates.

You never know I guess. I can remember being 4 years old and playing show me yours show you mine with the girl next door. If that happened today, god knows what the possible outcomes could be.

11/19/2007 02:32:04 PM · #10

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I took the consensual bit as a description of the 'playing doctor' situation - they were all willing playmates.

You never know I guess. I can remember being 4 years old and playing show me yours show you mine with the girl next door. If that happened today, god knows what the possible outcomes could be.

Right... But, hypothetically speaking, it sounds like they may have been "playing rapist" if you catch my drift? It's one thing to "innocently" explore each other's genitals (the classic "playing doctor" behavior) and another altogether to be acting out observed violent sexual behaviors.

We got no facts though, so we don't know...

R.

garrywhite2

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11/19/2007 02:54:39 PM · #11

One of the Georgia boy's parents: "The sexual activity was consensual, and the girl accused her playmates only after her parents had learned she had sex, said the father, Brandon LeBlanc.

"There was no violence involved," LeBlanc said. "This is a clear case of a girl who didn't want to get in trouble with her parents."

Same lawyer?

Simms

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11/19/2007 02:56:06 PM · #12

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Hmmm, maybe a lot of kids play that, but I don't ever remember playing, you show me yours and I'll poke mine up your... ahem..

The worrying thing is, at 8, no child should even know anything about that side of things, and any normal 8 year old would be repulsed by the thought of sticking "it" up the place where poop comes out.. something is wrong with this whole thing, and something is wrong how people will try to defend it. Maybe its something he has been exposed to at home? who knows?

It really is very worrying.

11/19/2007 03:11:40 PM · #13

So kids playing doctor in a heterosexual manner is normal and kids playing doctor in a homosexual manner is a sex crime? If the kid learned anything about sex he's being taught that anything goes, so why would he feel guilty about doing this? Seems to me if you want a society where people are basically taught if it feels good do it then you take what comes with that philosophy, good and bad.

Obviously that all assumes this was innocent play.

11/19/2007 03:11:48 PM · #14

Originally posted by Simms:

The worrying thing is, at 8, no child should even know anything about that side of things, and any normal 8 year old would be repulsed by the thought of sticking "it" up the place where poop comes out..

Legally, "sodomy" is a sexual act that is NOT penile/vaginal penetration. Specifically, in law oral sex is sodomy. So who knows what was going where? They aren't giving out that kind of information in the paper, obviously.

R.

11/19/2007 03:13:13 PM · #15

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Sodomy committed by a male on a female is not "homosexual behavior".

R.

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11/19/2007 03:17:18 PM · #16

This was all boys I thought? Anyway, that's enough speculating about nonsense.

JBHale

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11/19/2007 09:19:11 PM · #17

Yeah. Blown out of proportion. Isn't there a huge difference when intentions are pure? If you accidentally kill somebody and never meant them any harm, you get a different punishment. When these kids mean nothing by what they are doing (and that IS an assumption) they shouldn't go to court for it. It requires only a slap on the wrist and a good talking to by parents.

I once heard a sexual health professor say that kids should be told about sex by their parents as early as age three. Just simply learning the difference between "good touch" and "bad touch" can prevent ordeals like these.

yanko

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11/19/2007 09:48:01 PM · #18

Nevermind. Already stated.

Message edited by author 2007-11-20 00:54:42.

garrywhite2

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