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 11/04/2007 11:30:00 PM · #26
We're WAY off topic here and this thread will be locked if that continues.

This thread is about homophobia, not about defining who is or is not a Christian.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2007-11-04 23:32:33.
 11/04/2007 11:30:34 PM · #27
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I seriously doubt that the groups you refer to were ostracized by society, castigated by the church, the victim of randam acts of violence, subjected to a myriad of abuses, assaulted...
Ray


Never seen Revenge of the Nerds, eh?


Yes I have, but I seriously doubt that a farcical movie such as this is something one should use in defending a point in a serious matter such as this.

Ray
 11/04/2007 11:34:25 PM · #28
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Nope. Next question?

Most people I know do not discriminate against people because of a personal problem. I know I don't. However, Christian churches rightly do to a degree -- not because homosexuality is a sin, and certainly not worse than any other -- but because the person is willingly engaging in the sin without repentance. The treatment would and should be the same for someone flagrantly committing adultery, murder, robbery, fornication, etc.

Heard an interview with Mel White the other day and he seemed somewhat reasonable until it came to that -- the church speaking out against homosexuality is causing people to kill themselves, etc. blah blah blah. The root cause is that THEY aren't happy with their chosen lifestyle and are seeking acceptance of their choice by forcing everyone to agree with it.


THEY would not have to feel guilt over it if it was accepted, as it should be. That is not their problem, it is society's. The problem is others trying to force them to love or be attracted to a gender they are not. All they want is for you to let them be.

I think you and anyone opposed to homosexuality are asking a lot more than they. But of course you think you are right in your beliefs so you will never see it that way.


It's pretty much accepted in the world. Why do they want to force their views on Christians? We don't accept it and nor should we. You cannot please everyone... so why do they find it so important to make Christians accept their choice?

I am right in my belief, but I have known many who have chosen that lifestyle. I don't ostracize them or ridicule them. Only by knowing them can you earn the right to love them enough to help them.

Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Homosexuality is nothing like racial or gender discrimination in that it is a chosen behavior. While the attraction, urge, or weakness may seem to come naturally, the behavior is STILL a matter of choice. Indisputable. One need not act on those urges -- like an alcoholic need not act on their urges and weaknesses. One can prove race or gender or age. Homosexuality is self-reporting.


Homosexuality is not a choice or a weakness, just as a man loving a woman is not. If the world were homosexual and you were hetero should you be made to feel that what you felt was wrong? NO. You love who you love, and most people cannot help that. Homosexuality is not a choice. Why would someone CHOOSE a life of persecution and subject themselves to intolerance?


Actually, Christians DO tolerate it. Because it is impossible to tolerate something you agree with and accept. As for it being a choice, the person can choose whether to act upon it. Just like I showed an alcoholic can choose to drink or not. You have a different opinion.
 11/04/2007 11:36:27 PM · #29
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Homosexuality is nothing like racial or gender discrimination in that it is a chosen behavior.


That statement betrays the ignorance of many so called "Christians".


You mean wisdom I think.

Homosexuality is, without dispute, a chosen behavior. Because you don't actually have homosexuality without activity -- and that activity need not be chosen.

Additionally, you wrongly use "so-called" to discredit the views of Christianity. According to our beliefs, homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can whine and throw a fit, but that's the way it is according to God. However, He still loves all of us and sent His Son to die for all our sins -- mine, yours, everyones'. Homosexuality is just one of those sins.


WITH MUCH DISPUTE.... as is the existence of God and the rightfulness of you and your beliefs. I don't care what you believe but don't try and pretend you know what is best for everyone else's life.


Where have I done that? Cite proof. Oh yes, you cannot.

I simply state the undeniable fact (to anyone thinking) that homosexuality is a chosen behavior. The urges may or may not be 'born with', but if you don't act out on them, you aren't homosexual.
 11/04/2007 11:39:59 PM · #30
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Additionally, you wrongly use "so-called" to discredit the views of Christianity. According to our beliefs, homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can whine and throw a fit, but that's the way it is according to God. However, He still loves all of us and sent His Son to die for all our sins -- mine, yours, everyones'.

But that assumes, as you so woefully always do, that what you're saying is actually true, when it's not. Your needle-thin view of the universe is irrelevant to this discussion, even without the fact that there is no god. Do I come busting into every thread proclaiming that only by the grace of Atheism will you be saved from the forthcoming dark age that Christianity is surely hurtling the Western world toward? Not until just now. Please stop prosyletizing. It's off-topic.
11/04/2007 11:43:33 PM · #31
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
I simply state the undeniable fact (to anyone thinking) that homosexuality is a chosen behavior. The urges may or may not be 'born with', but if you don't act out on them, you aren't homosexual.


The dictionary definition of homosexual has nothing to do with whether a person acts on their attractions to the same sex.

~Terry
 11/04/2007 11:44:12 PM · #32
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Homosexuality is nothing like racial or gender discrimination in that it is a chosen behavior.


That statement betrays the ignorance of many so called "Christians".


You mean wisdom I think.

Homosexuality is, without dispute, a chosen behavior. Because you don't actually have homosexuality without activity -- and that activity need not be chosen.

Additionally, you wrongly use "so-called" to discredit the views of Christianity. According to our beliefs, homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can whine and throw a fit, but that's the way it is according to God. However, He still loves all of us and sent His Son to die for all our sins -- mine, yours, everyones'. Homosexuality is just one of those sins.


No, I meant and I still mean ignorance.

And once again, you're wrong. Your assertion that homosexuality is chosen just shows your own ignorance. Does heterosexuality require activity too? What if a person remains totally chaste? That would mean they are neither homosexual or heterosexual. What does that make them? Does your sect cast them out as well?

You call it a belief, yet several denomination have gone so far as to ordain openly gay clergy. Of course now you will claim that those denominations are not "truly" Christian, only your particular exclusionary brand of "So-called Christians" knows the true God.

It's not the way it is "according to God". It's the word according to your god.

If your God is as intolerant as you claim, I don't want anything to do with the SOB.

11/04/2007 11:45:25 PM · #33
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Christians are nothing like that.


They are just like that.

Message edited by author 2007-11-04 23:45:50.
 11/04/2007 11:45:35 PM · #34
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Additionally, you wrongly use "so-called" to discredit the views of Christianity. According to our beliefs, homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can whine and throw a fit, but that's the way it is according to God. However, He still loves all of us and sent His Son to die for all our sins -- mine, yours, everyones'.

But that assumes, as you so woefully always do, that what you're saying is actually true, when it's not. Your needle-thin view of the universe is irrelevant to this discussion, even without the fact that there is no god. Do I come busting into every thread proclaiming that only by the grace of Atheism will you be saved from the forthcoming dark age that Christianity is surely hurtling the Western world toward? Not until just now. Please stop prosyletizing. It's off-topic.


I think if you follow the thread, you'll see it's very much on topic. And God is real... I'm sorry you imagine otherwise.
 11/04/2007 11:45:42 PM · #35
I'm starting to develop rantophobia in a big way.
 11/04/2007 11:47:42 PM · #36
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Homosexuality is nothing like racial or gender discrimination in that it is a chosen behavior.


That statement betrays the ignorance of many so called "Christians".


You mean wisdom I think.

Homosexuality is, without dispute, a chosen behavior. Because you don't actually have homosexuality without activity -- and that activity need not be chosen.

Additionally, you wrongly use "so-called" to discredit the views of Christianity. According to our beliefs, homosexuality is a sin. Period. You can whine and throw a fit, but that's the way it is according to God. However, He still loves all of us and sent His Son to die for all our sins -- mine, yours, everyones'. Homosexuality is just one of those sins.


No, I meant and I still mean ignorance.

And once again, you're wrong. Your assertion that homosexuality is chosen just shows your own ignorance. Does heterosexuality require activity too? What if a person remains totally chaste? That would mean they are neither homosexual or heterosexual. What does that make them? Does your sect cast them out as well?

You call it a belief, yet several denomination have gone so far as to ordain openly gay clergy. Of course now you will claim that those denominations are not "truly" Christian, only your particular exclusionary brand of "So-called Christians" knows the true God.

It's not the way it is "according to God". It's the word according to your god.

If your God is as intolerant as you claim, I don't want anything to do with the SOB.


It is a sin to Christians. It's very clear in His word, so you stand corrected as it is "according to God". I'm not sure what those other religious groups choose to belief, but it is not based on the Bible.
11/04/2007 11:47:56 PM · #37
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I'm starting to develop rantophobia in a big way.


Ditto.
 11/04/2007 11:48:46 PM · #38
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Christians are nothing like that.


They are just like that.


I'm sorry you are so confused on the issue.
 11/04/2007 11:50:40 PM · #39
...aaaaaaaaand we're locked.

My apologies to those who wish to discuss the original topic of whether homophobia is real and to what extent (if at all) it is state sanctioned. Feel free to start a new thread for the purpose. Attempts to derail that thread into defining who is a Christian will be considered threadjacking and dealt with as such.

~Terry
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