How do I set speed to 1/500s in flash mode

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

11/03/2007 10:51:15 PM · #26

Originally posted by ericwoo:

Not too familiar with the D200, but does is allow you to set it as the master flash? If so, set the channels to coincide, set the camera's sync speed to 1/250 (auto FP) and that should do it.

That's pretty close to what I did. I have one SB800 and so I am using the built-in flash in commander mode. However, when I pop-up the built-in flash I am limited on the speed.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

11/03/2007 10:53:17 PM · #27

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

Information I found (via google) needs some triggering device attached to the hot shoe for it to work.

11/03/2007 10:54:18 PM · #28

Ron,

I went through all the relevant options on my camera, to see if anything stood out. My suggestion would be to start from scratch, as perhaps there's something really simple that we're both missing.

Turn on the SB-800 and set it to remote mode. Put it on channel 1. That should be it for the flash.

Turn on the camera and go to custom setting menu e1 (Flash Sync Speed). Make sure it's set to 1/250 s (Auto FP), and press enter.

Go down to option e3 (Built-in Flash), and ensure it's set to Commander Mode. In the Commander mode menu, it doesn't really matter too much what you set (for the sake of simply shooting), so just press Enter.

That should be it. Make sure you're not in mirror lock-up mode, and that you're in M mode. Scroll the shutter speed dial (main dial) to the right until you get (hopefully) beyond 1/250 s.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

11/03/2007 10:56:09 PM · #29

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

11/03/2007 10:57:47 PM · #30

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander.

That's not what I said. Acting as commander is one thing. Acting as commander and allowing high speed sync is another. All info I found showed a triggering device attached to the hotshoe. There was no mention of using the builtin flash.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

11/03/2007 10:59:33 PM · #31

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander.

That's not what I said. Acting as commander is one thing. Acting as commander and allowing high speed sync is another. All info I found showed a triggering device attached to the hotshoe. There was no mention of using the builtin flash.

Sorry, let me edit my post: The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander up to and beyond the camera's sync speed (1/250 s) when used with the SB-600 or SB-800, so long as the camera's sync speed is set to Auto FP.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

11/03/2007 11:00:43 PM · #32

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander.

That's not what I said. Acting as commander is one thing. Acting as commander and allowing high speed sync is another. All info I found showed a triggering device attached to the hotshoe. There was no mention of using the builtin flash.

Sorry, let me edit my post: The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander up to and beyond the camera's sync speed (1/250 s) when used with the SB-600 or SB-800, so long as the camera's sync speed is set to Auto FP.

ok. It shouldn't be this difficult though. Good luck figuring it out.

11/03/2007 11:01:01 PM · #33

Geoff, I did everything as you said.
Turned of the flash and camera.
Turned on flash and set to remote.
Turned on flash and set e1 to Auto FP
set e3 to Commander mode
I can set the speed faster than 1/250 but when I pop-up the flash it goes back to 1/250. So it looks like I cannot trigger the remote flash since I can activate the builtin flash at the higher speed.

11/03/2007 11:02:00 PM · #34

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
What are you using to trigger the flash when it is off the camera?

I think you answered your own question in the previous post. It looks like you can't use the built in flash to trigger a remote flash if you want to use high speed sync.

The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander.

That's not what I said. Acting as commander is one thing. Acting as commander and allowing high speed sync is another. All info I found showed a triggering device attached to the hotshoe. There was no mention of using the builtin flash.

Sorry, let me edit my post: The D200 allows the built-in flash to work as a commander up to and beyond the camera's sync speed (1/250 s) when used with the SB-600 or SB-800, so long as the camera's sync speed is set to Auto FP.

ok. It shouldn't be this difficult though. Good luck figuring it out.

You are right. That's why I posted it to the forum.

11/03/2007 11:03:44 PM · #35

BTW. I appreciate everyone's input on this. I have figured out a lot. Just not how to get the on camera flash to allow the camera to use a shutter speed faster than 1/250

Thanks a heap everyone!

11/03/2007 11:05:32 PM · #36

Originally posted by wronp:

And you're in Manual mode (the top LCD shows a big M in the top left corner)?

11/03/2007 11:13:24 PM · #37

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by wronp:
Geoff, I did everything as you said.
Turned of the flash and camera.
Turned on flash and set to remote.
Turned on flash and set e1 to Auto FP
set e3 to Commander mode
I can set the speed faster than 1/250 but when I pop-up the flash it goes back to 1/250. So it looks like I cannot trigger the remote flash since I can activate the builtin flash at the higher speed.

And you're in Manual mode (the top LCD shows a big M in the top left corner)?

Yep!
I do see a couple of things that I have not noticed before today.
Beside the number of exposures remaining there is
Shoot A
Custom A
WB flash

11/03/2007 11:18:43 PM · #38

Originally posted by wronp:

Originally posted by geoffb:

Originally posted by wronp:
Geoff, I did everything as you said.
Turned of the flash and camera.
Turned on flash and set to remote.
Turned on flash and set e1 to Auto FP
set e3 to Commander mode
I can set the speed faster than 1/250 but when I pop-up the flash it goes back to 1/250. So it looks like I cannot trigger the remote flash since I can activate the builtin flash at the higher speed.

And you're in Manual mode (the top LCD shows a big M in the top left corner)?

Yep!
I do see a couple of things that I have not noticed before today.
Beside the number of exposures remaining there is
Shoot A
Custom A
WB flash

Those are all okay. The D200 gives you 4 shooting modes and 4 custom setting modes, which are both handy for quickly rotating between different "situations".

The only thing I can think that could be restricting your flash is the sync mode. When I set the sync setting (e1) back to 1/250 s [instead of 1/250 s (Auto FP)], I'm able to replicate your problem. I'm also able to replicate your problem when the Sync speed is set to Auto FP mode, but only if I'm in TTL mode. Once I set it to Commander mode, I can change the shutter speed to whatever I want.

11/03/2007 11:23:44 PM · #39

Are you doing this with the built-in flash pop-up?

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

11/03/2007 11:27:59 PM · #40

If you use small aperture low ISO and enough flash, the flash will stop the action when it goes off. The object trail will be so faint that you will not be able to see it. You can then shoot at 1/8 sec or so, and trigger the flash leading (when the shutter opens,) or manually and get the pic. This may not work well in high ambient or daylight, but in an ordinary indoor environment at ISO 100 and f22 you will not see a trail. If you still see a faint trail, use a ND filter or polarizer and increase the flash some.

11/03/2007 11:28:30 PM · #41

Okay. Got it.
In the Commander Mode screen (e3) you have to set the Channel A to be --- or at least not TTL.
Thanks for sticking with me Geoff.

11/03/2007 11:29:45 PM · #42

Originally posted by wronp:

Are you doing this with the built-in flash pop-up?

Yes. If I'm my sync speed (setting e1) is not set to Auto FP and/or I'm not in Commander mode, then I get the same problem as you (shutter speed reverts to 1/250 s when I pop up the flash). However, in Auto FP mode and commander mode, I can set the shutter speed to anything, even with the built-in flash popped up.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

11/03/2007 11:30:23 PM · #43

Originally posted by wronp:

Okay. Got it.
In the Commander Mode screen (e3) you have to set the Channel A to be --- or at least not TTL.
Thanks for sticking with me Geoff.

Nice! No problem, and glad to see you got it working.

wavelength

Nikon D300

11/03/2007 11:53:25 PM · #44

jaysus guys, you don't need Commander mode, set the flash to FP mode and you can go up to 1/1000th.

and Manual, P,S,A mode won't let you change it still.

Message edited by author 2007-11-03 23:54:51.

senor_kasper

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/04/2007 12:12:59 AM · #45

Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

I echo the above. I can't think of a reason to need such a fast sync speed; all you need to freeze motion is control of ambient light (using ND filters if you can't dim the light)and a fast flash duration. You can shoot all kinds of drops falling and exploding into crowns with sync speeds of 1/60.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

11/04/2007 12:24:47 AM · #46

That's how we did it back in BC (before computers) when 120 was the highest available sync speed. On most SLR's it was only 1/60 sec.

Message edited by author 2007-11-04 01:11:11.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G

11/04/2007 02:07:46 AM · #47

Originally posted by wavelength:

jaysus guys, you don't need Commander mode

You can set off the strobe remotely (other than in SU-4 mode) without using Commander mode? We must have different cameras!

Originally posted by wavelength:

and Manual, P,S,A mode won't let you change it still.

I'm able to use M, A, or S mode.

breadfan35

Nikon D3

11/04/2007 06:15:19 AM · #48

Interesting.