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 11/03/2007 01:40:28 PM · #1
How about a P&S challenge ?

Most people have access to a P&S (and indeed some only have a P&S)so shoot a picture of your choice in JPEG with only Basic Editing.

Put away those bulky DSLR's and Lenses - learn to love your P&S
 11/03/2007 02:15:29 PM · #2
Can you define "P&S"?

R.
 11/03/2007 02:17:21 PM · #3
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Can you define "P&S"?

R.


Non-SLR?
 11/03/2007 02:30:33 PM · #4
I think we should do P&S in minimal editing. Sounds like fun.
 11/03/2007 02:33:56 PM · #5
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
I think we should do P&S in minimal editing. Sounds like fun.


Aye, that would be a real DP Challenge
;o)
 11/03/2007 04:13:26 PM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Can you define "P&S"?

R.


As jaxter says - non DSLR.

It is obviously a bit of a problem as there are so many non-dslr's, some with 20x zooms, some with RAW capabilitites etc etc but I think if you stick with the limitations that it must not be a dslr and it must be done in JPEG to limit the post processing work then we can live with the other differences.

After all DSLR's have huge differences between (in Canon terms) say a 350D and a 1DS mk3 with L glass but we live with that difference :- )
 11/03/2007 06:20:21 PM · #7
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 11/03/2007 08:04:15 PM · #8
I like the idea, but the glass on my peashooter is heavier than some of my dSLR lenses...

My Peashooter
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 11/03/2007 08:19:26 PM · #9
that could be a problem... how about the pictue must be no larger than 4 mega pixels or 5 mega pixels... and there cannot be any "accessory" lenses or after market flash
 11/03/2007 08:22:14 PM · #10
Originally posted by Jib:
there cannot be any "accessory" lenses or after market flash


How would we enforce that?

~Terry
 11/03/2007 08:32:26 PM · #11
Originally posted by jaxter:
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
I think we should do P&S in minimal editing. Sounds like fun.


Aye, that would be a real DP Challenge
;o)


Wouldn't a P&S actually have an advantage over a DSLR in a Minimal editing challenge?
 11/03/2007 08:35:40 PM · #12
Thought I just suggested something recently that got bashed for excluding p&s cams. I don't own a p&s. Stop discriminating before I sic Al Sharpton on you.
 11/03/2007 08:40:25 PM · #13
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by jaxter:
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
I think we should do P&S in minimal editing. Sounds like fun.


Aye, that would be a real DP Challenge
;o)


Wouldn't a P&S actually have an advantage over a DSLR in a Minimal editing challenge?


That was my thought... I can do so much stuff in cam to jpgs that have no effect to raw it isn't funny.
 11/03/2007 08:44:17 PM · #14
I have seen some winners with a P&S camera. I used one in one of the current challenges which looks like it just might get me my first ribbon. I hope!
11/03/2007 08:45:35 PM · #15
Originally posted by Jedusi:
it must be done in JPEG to limit the post processing work


Aside from the question of defining the limits of what's a P&S camera, why do you think shooting in JPG limits the post processing options?

Here's one example from my profile, taken with a P&S and heavily edited (final and original):

11/04/2007 04:34:56 AM · #16
Originally posted by Jib:
that could be a problem... how about the pictue must be no larger than 4 mega pixels or 5 mega pixels... and there cannot be any "accessory" lenses or after market flash


I don't see any way of enforcing the 'after-market' idea.

The problem with trying to just limit it to a file size is that you might have an older DSLR that would have all the add-ons.

Keep it P&S (or non-dslr if you prefer)and if you want to put a huge flash on it go ahead :- )
 11/04/2007 01:17:21 PM · #17
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Jedusi:
it must be done in JPEG to limit the post processing work


Aside from the question of defining the limits of what's a P&S camera, why do you think shooting in JPG limits the post processing options?

Here's one example from my profile, taken with a P&S and heavily edited (final and original):


Jeff, nice shots.

I'm clearly not saying that it's impossible to do PP work on JPEG files - but it's also clear that you can do more PP work on a RAW file than you can on a JPEG.

My reasoning for limiting it to JPEG was that the majority of P&S cameras only do JPEG, so it would keep it a more level playing field and if you then limited it to Basic (or even minimal) editing it would further limit PP options.

11/04/2007 01:53:42 PM · #18
From my perspective, in minimal editing the dSLR does not have any advantages over a "good" P&S camera. So I am not sure this challenge is "necessary"... Sure, a dSLR has advantages over an old, low-MP P&S, but so do the new, higher-resolution P&S cameras, so... Just schedule more minimal editing challenges?

R.
 11/04/2007 02:04:08 PM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
From my perspective, in minimal editing the dSLR does not have any advantages over a "good" P&S camera. So I am not sure this challenge is "necessary"... Sure, a dSLR has advantages over an old, low-MP P&S, but so do the new, higher-resolution P&S cameras, so... Just schedule more minimal editing challenges?

R.


True-ish :- )

But firstly I would prefer 'Basic' to minimal and

secondly in terms of Camera differences - you can't slap a 400mm L glass on a P&S, or (commonly) have the same AF speed/tracking or frame rate, you don't tend to have fancy flash set-up's, Image stabilisation etc etc.

It's not that some P&S's wont have some of these, heck a few may have all of them - but most wont.

For most people there is clearly a step down in quality in a non-dslr, so you have to put in a little more work to get the result you want.

11/04/2007 02:17:11 PM · #20
Originally posted by Jedusi:
...in terms of Camera differences - you can't slap a 400mm L glass on a P&S...


All of what you said is true enough, but for the record a LOT of P&S cameras have more reach on the long end than my 70-200 on the 20D. Where I have the advantage is at the wide end, actually; NONE of them go as wide as the 10mm I use...

R.
 11/04/2007 02:55:49 PM · #21
Tough one to regulate. Like the idea. However, having just got the Nikon Coolpix L10 I am challenging myself to rival my other P&S, which I don't consider a P&S because of the control and the zoom (and the glass). levyj413's portrait is in a class by itself.
 11/04/2007 03:11:41 PM · #22
I dont know about a P&S having an advantage over dSLR's in the minimal editing category. I think I'd put my 4MP 1D files with a custom curve set up against just about any P&S straight out of the camera. This idea has been discussed many times before and it always ends the same way, without a challenge scheduled. :D

MattO
 11/04/2007 06:31:54 PM · #23
Originally posted by MattO:
This idea has been discussed many times before and it always ends the same way, without a challenge scheduled. :D


Good. I'm all for challenges that restrict equipment, so long as the restrictions include equipment I already own.
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