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10/18/2007 12:25:20 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
... I am hopefully though, we as human beings still developing race, one day, if we survive that long, things should be better for all. Without any visual help. |
I shall assume that you have never heard the old adage: "Out of sight, out of mind".
While I can appreciate the fact that you personally find images of this ilk revolting, there does exist a need to remind society of the horrors associated with life.
Viewed in a different context, images of war and the like do serve a purpose, if only to remind the human race of the ravages of war, and the atrocities committed by manking. Perhaps images are a catalyst that will help accentuate the comments made by General Lee when he said:
" It is well that war is so terrible, or we should get too fond of it."
I truly am saddened that these images have a detrimental effect on you, but truly cannot support any attempts to remove them from this site.
There are mechanisms in place which should help you pre-screen the process, and perhaps additional measures could be added to facilitate additional checks and balances, but censorship is not the route I would favour.
Ray |
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10/18/2007 12:28:25 PM · #77 |
WAIT! I think Ray may have agreed with me.
TODAY IS A MONUMENTAL DAY!!!
(although he didn't actually quote what I said, or acknowledge me or anything, but in essence we said the same thing!!!) |
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10/18/2007 12:58:46 PM · #78 |
Lol, I agree too  ajdelaware
The beauty of DPC is that everyone has their own tastes, moral code, values, etc. On DPC we are able to express what makes us think, what appeals to us, what moves us personally. Do I like ever image I see here? Nope. Do I agree with the content of every image I see here? Of course not. But do I think I have the right to question the judgement, morality, sanity & sensitivity of those photographers? Definitely not. Nor do I have the right to expect those photos be censored just because I don't like them.
The fact of the matter is, suicide, drug use, child abuse, starvation, war, etc happens. Can't deny it. But it is easy to pretend it doesn't if you don't have to see it or hear about it. Images like the one posted in this thread (with the little girl) are absolutely heartbreaking. Yes, they are hard to look at and even harder to get out of your mind once you do. I absolutely disagree that this makes the current generation more insensitive however. If anything, images, broadcasts and websites of atrocities that happen everyday force people to take the blinders off and accept that this is happening. They allow people the opportunity to get up and try change what is happening.
People have every right to view the world through rose-coloured glasses if they want. But I don't think they are in any position to criticize or censor others who choose to expose themselves to reality. |
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10/18/2007 01:03:25 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by ivale28:
People have every right to view the world through rose-coloured glasses if they want. But I don't think they are in any position to criticize or censor others who choose to expose themselves to reality. |
If that is what ajdelaware is saying then I agree too. I just didn't feel like he was saying what your first sentence just did. |
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10/18/2007 02:34:46 PM · #80 |
| Phil - thats the jist of it. She just said it more eloquently, and obviously in british talk, cause I would have said colored. |
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10/18/2007 03:12:47 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Young kids use drugs, have sex, commit crimes, etc. I know its not fun to think about, and its depressing to know, but its happening. |
Ay??? My son is 8, is he or any of his mates shooting up in the classroom? No. If that's happening where you're from, I'm deeply sorry for you. But it's definitely not happening in New Zealand and most likely not in Australia either. Not 8 year olds. Sorry, but since my son enjoys the process of voting on the fun challenges, like pencil, I take great offence to those images coming across his screen. Absolutely I should scan for possible problem shots, but what the hell??? It's a freakin' pencil challenge!!!!
Get real people. I'm all for live and let live, but some images leave me wondering about the photographer's sanity. |
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10/18/2007 03:17:39 PM · #82 |
| Thats reallly a silly point. Kids are kids 0-17, so why 8 year in new zealand may not be the problem it doesnt mean that 13+ arent/ |
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10/18/2007 04:16:01 PM · #83 |
I know which image you are speaking of, and while it's still in voting, I'm not sure how much discussion should really take place at this point. But since that one in particular has been brought up, I'll add my 2 cents.
I too find that one offensive - I don't like the content, nor would I want my 7 year old daughter being exposed to an image like that because she it too young to grasp what it is trying to convey. Although I'd estimate a good 90% of the images here are very tame/non-offensive, there are certainly ones, like this one, that are not at all intended for children. But this is exactly why she is not on DPC by herself. The times she does view images here, I am at her side, ensuring she is not exposed to images such as these.
On the other hand, as my 12 year old cusps on his teenage-angst years, a shot like this one in particular may very well be an opportunity to open discussions that may not take place as easily without instigation. Instead of the regular "Drugs are Bad" discussions, he could have the opportunity to express how this shot makes him feel, what is wrong with it, what he finds (or does not find, for that matter) disturbing/shocking about it.
I don't know world statistics, but I do know, as a result of my current workplace, there are children that young that are sexually active, exposed to or using drugs/alcohol, have suicidal tendencies, and so forth. I also know that this isn't an issue contained to my location. I mean, Winnipeg, Manitoba certainly isn't a haven of drugs, sex and violence. Does it need to be expressed photographically? Who am I to say? But it certainly can't be denied. |
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10/18/2007 04:36:37 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Young kids use drugs, have sex, commit crimes, etc. I know its not fun to think about, and its depressing to know, but its happening. |
Ay??? My son is 8, is he or any of his mates shooting up in the classroom? No. If that's happening where you're from, I'm deeply sorry for you. But it's definitely not happening in New Zealand and most likely not in Australia either. Not 8 year olds. Sorry, but since my son enjoys the process of voting on the fun challenges, like pencil, I take great offence to those images coming across his screen. Absolutely I should scan for possible problem shots, but what the hell??? It's a freakin' pencil challenge!!!!
Get real people. I'm all for live and let live, but some images leave me wondering about the photographer's sanity. |
While I appreciate that your son MAY not be shooting up in the classroom (how would I know from half a world away?), it DOES happen all over the world. As an 8 year old, I was offered drugs on 3 separate occasions... and I lived in a VERY nice area! Please don't think I'm saying YOUR child is doing anything harmful, but that does NOT mean it isn't occurring every single day. "get real people" is exactly what we were doing - facing reality...
Billy
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10/18/2007 04:38:40 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by rossbilly:
'mornin Leo.
You might consider pre-screening a challenge, by looking at all the images as thumbnails first. This would at least minimize the details, as well as 'prepare' you for what will be shown full-size.
Hope this helps... |
Thanks, I totaly forgot about that :) |
Uhhh thats what I said in my post, I guess he understands male posts better than female posts...LOL |
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10/18/2007 04:46:30 PM · #86 |
Responsible parenting is a wonderful thing, isn't it? There are 2 images currently in voting that I would deem irresponsible depictions of uses for a pencil. Why? Because no matter how great a parent you are, no matter how well you think your open and honest discussions are going, kids will be kids. They will identify with other kids. They will emulate through play, and I can just see it now:
Teacher - "Johnny, get that pencil out of the mouse's butt right now!"
Johnny - "But it's a thermometer Miss, I saw it on DPChallenge!" |
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10/18/2007 04:57:18 PM · #87 |
| It must be great to live in candyland. |
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10/18/2007 04:59:46 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
It must be great to live in candyland. |
Only if you're not diabetic :-)
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10/18/2007 05:02:26 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
It must be great to live in candyland. |
That all you got son? |
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10/18/2007 05:08:26 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
It must be great to live in candyland. |
That all you got son? |
I'm hoping for SweetTarts and Skittles.
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10/18/2007 05:14:17 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
It must be great to live in candyland. |
That all you got son? |
I'm hoping for SweetTarts and Skittles. |
Anything with a little more gusto would be nice too :P |
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10/18/2007 05:35:28 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by CalliopeKel:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by rossbilly:
'mornin Leo.
You might consider pre-screening a challenge, by looking at all the images as thumbnails first. This would at least minimize the details, as well as 'prepare' you for what will be shown full-size.
Hope this helps... |
Thanks, I totaly forgot about that :) |
Uhhh thats what I said in my post, I guess he understands male posts better than female posts...LOL |
awwww CRAP! now it's gonna become a male vs. female fight too?
ROFL (i hear ya kel - but WE ended up being helpful together, so that's a good thing, right?)
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10/18/2007 06:02:07 PM · #93 |
I think we can all agree that we are all not going to agree on what is acceptable. Animals eating animals or girls kissing girls are both fine with me, but undoubtedly not to others.
The question is, what, if anything, can be done to "protect" viewers from images they find disturbing. Or if anything should be done at all.
Do we need to be disturbed by images? I think human nature is that we do have a need or insatiable desire to look at things that disturb us if they are presented. Just drive by a car accident and you immediately scan the scene. Why? Because we need ways to face our fears, whether it be death, spiders, snakes kittens... or some other curiosity we must fulfill.
From the OP, I get this: protect me from myself. I can't see a photo and move on. I dwell on it. So, you must change for me.
Just some thoughts.
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10/18/2007 06:02:38 PM · #94 |
huh huh..huh..huh...
Dude.....
have u seen my car? |
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10/19/2007 04:28:03 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Wow. That's awful. Have you tried this site? |
Ahhhhhhhhhrrrrggggghhhh! You have permanently damaged my ability to use the internets! I even closed one eye but I was still dreadfully hurt.
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