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10/17/2007 01:36:46 PM · #1 |
(sorry for my spelling and grammar before you start reading this)
Long time ago, I mentioned that I wouldn’t even bother to vote if I see an abused child photo on DPC, and I don’t. I am not sure how this “censoring” done here, but if sexual act (porn) or close-up vagina or any other “offensive” nude not allowed, why other things that bother some (if not most) allowed such as child abuse, animal abuse, like snake killing a mouseâ€Â¦
Journalism? What is it? Realism? Just being “different” or “cool” to be ugly?
I don’t understand. All that thing is “natural”, even porn. It’s sex and sex is very natural thing. We put into better view and called it porn, that’s it.
Ok, I am not saying we should, but it is so close for me to quit DPC because of these horror photos (yeahâ€Â¦ boo hoo) but I want my voice heard once more here. You guys think it’s cool or different’ I see it “nasty” and “unnecessary”
I virtually stopped votingâ€Â¦ I can’t even browse photos anymore. Things are getting worse these days.
No, it’s has nothing to do with “oh, you should grow upӉ€Â¦ I am grown man, and if I am affected by these things, I am pretty sure there are many out there feeling the same I do.
That’s it. I said what I wanted to say.
Message edited by scalvert - References to images currently in voting removed.. |
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10/17/2007 01:44:02 PM · #2 |
the images you reference are still in voting and should be reported if you feel they're against the terms of service ... perhaps the site counsel will agree with you.
as far as i know, mimicking drug use is against the TOS
perhaps this is being discussed as we speak |
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10/17/2007 01:45:29 PM · #3 |
I think the problem here is that virtually everyone has a different idea of what is "acceptable" and what isn't. Or what is disgusting, and what's not disgusting. And so forth...
The challenge rules prohibit genitalia:
You may not submit a photograph depicting male or female genitalia, or acts of sex deemed inappropriate by a majority of the Site Council.
And the terms of service prohibit overt drug-oriented shots.
But other than that, there's no rule that prohibits something because its merely "gross," I guess.
I'd have to say that it would be nearly impossible to come up with a rule that would satisfy everyone's definition of "acceptable," which is pretty much why we went with rules that would more or less coincide with obscenity laws.
Unfortunately, my best advice is to move on to the next shot, or vote as you feel appropriate and move on. Yeah, there have been a couple shots like you're describing in current challenges, but overall this kind of shot is certainly a teeny percentage of what's submitted.
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 14:22:59. |
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10/17/2007 01:54:54 PM · #4 |
I have a huge problem... I have a photo-memory (or whatever you guys call it) that I cannot take the image out of my mind for years if it gets into. Even split second is enough. I don't watch news because of the things they show. I am unlike most people, little more sensitive for "life" itself, and those things stick in my mind; the bad ones usually.
I may be one of a very few but I am out there, like others. That's why I am considering moving to another website, which I prefer not to... To avoid doing so, I stopped (well, I am going to stop for good from now on) voting.
Maybe, just maybe we should give an option even when we vote, to hide some of the images, or give pre-warning "following image might be violent for some"... I know I am asking too much, that's a wish more than asking I think. |
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10/17/2007 02:02:59 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by hopper:
... as far as i know, mimicking drug use is against the TOS |
and mimicking drug use by a child should be double against TOS |
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10/17/2007 02:03:19 PM · #6 |
| Disturbing images tend to get what they deserve, but you probably won't find a photography site where they don't appear at all. Even newspapers sometimes publish disturbing scenes of war or disaster. Aide from ToS violations, though, people are free to shoot whatever subjects they choose... and suffer the consequences of that choice. |
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10/17/2007 02:09:26 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I have a huge problem... I have a photo-memory (or whatever you guys call it) that I cannot take the image out of my mind for years if it gets into. Even split second is enough. I don't watch news because of the things they show. I am unlike most people, little more sensitive for "life" itself, and those things stick in my mind; the bad ones usually.
I may be one of a very few but I am out there, like others. That's why I am considering moving to another website, which I prefer not to... To avoid doing so, I stopped (well, I am going to stop for good from now on) voting.
Maybe, just maybe we should give an option even when we vote, to hide some of the images, or give pre-warning "following image might be violent for some"... I know I am asking too much, that's a wish more than asking I think. |
Wow. That's awful. Have you tried this site? |
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10/17/2007 02:13:00 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Have you tried this site? |
I just may... though guy |
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10/17/2007 02:17:10 PM · #9 |
Do you really think switching sites will do the trick? You have entered into the world of art, with that brings images that are made to shock, surprise, gross out, inform, amaze etc... I don't think you will ever find a completely G rated photo site. I also don't think any site should censor such images. Photos of violence and abuse are here for a reason and will always be present in photography. These images are made to shock your system and provoke thought and most importantly never let you forget.
I think that this rant will go on deaf ears, art has never been directed to the conservative. Without shocks and thought provoking images, what do we have left?
I personally like the images you talk about. I enjoy when an image makes me think and when I can't get it out of my mind. If I am sitting on the couch watching TV but still pondering an image of war, that image did its job and I am greatful for the experience.
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10/17/2007 02:30:32 PM · #10 |
Younger people won't remember, but in older days (I don't even want to go that far) we had our imagination more than pictures and TV. If you were not "there" at the scene, you wouldn't know the horror of anything, (accident, war... whatever.)
Now, everyone sees everything via everywhere... TV, internet.
Does this make us more insensitive? You bet it does. The things we cried, we don't anymore... the thing we screamed, we just pass by without a look. I refuse to watch TV, news which I still see, and hear, but I try to avoid... that does not mean ALL the people are different I am, I know some (if not most) older people think the way I do, but can't say.
I tried to follow everything, and I may not find "perfect" place for my old brain, I will have to live with it, but how far is too far “now”?. How extreme is too extreme “today”?.
I am trying o find that out I think.
Anyway this is a rant; I said whatever I wanted to say. Don't think the way I do, fine, if you do that's even better for me I guess.
â€Â¦all I know is, we are as human, getting much less sensitive by the generations. |
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10/17/2007 02:35:32 PM · #11 |
If your condition is as serious as you described, you should stop voting, why put yourself through it? Maybe you should restrict yourself to just viewing certain galleries, like floral. I appreciate the rules set here regarding extreme images, I have a son that submits and votes, it is nice to know he isn't going to be exposed to hard porn. The image that you refer to (drug use) I have seen, I don't know what the ruling will be, but I know he is young and he can deal with that.
To be honest maybe photography isn't the hobby for you? And if it is, maybe on a limited basis.
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10/17/2007 02:35:46 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
..â€Â¦all I know is, we are as human, getting much less sensitive by the generations. |
Hmm I beg to differ...I'm sure people in the Middle Ages were much much more aware of disease, pestilence, chaos, war and death than we are now... |
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10/17/2007 02:36:59 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Does this make us more insensitive? You bet it does. The things we cried, we don't anymore... the thing we screamed, we just pass by without a look. |
Make up your mind. You're either hypersensitive and want to run screaming to some site full of flower and bunny shots or you're so callused and jaded that nothing provokes a reaction from you.
Life would be very boring if it were all beautiful women kissing other beautiful women, especially if I couldn't get my hands on them. And more boring yet if at least a few people weren't taking obscene amounts of drugs and making good music and fine art for the rest of us to enjoy.
Look man... Slap your wife, throw the kid's puppy in the microwave, smoke a joint and just take it easy. Life is short. Get into it. |
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10/17/2007 02:41:56 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
...smoke a joint and just take it easy. |
that was one of my problems... most of my friends did, and they seem like handling everything pretty good now.. .I didn't do any drugs, look what happened.
I do NOT say we should do drugs to handle things, but why we drink at the first place... to forget... and do drugs? to forget more... if there is nothing to forget, why drink or do drugs?
(Now, lets get back to my original rant...)
my anger is gone now. so, move on people... there is nothing to see here.
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I love this pphoto by the way... makes me wanna live more, not get angry... am I the only one?
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 14:43:29. |
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10/17/2007 02:44:06 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
â€Â¦all I know is, we are as human, getting much less sensitive by the generations. |
What you're discussing here is how the prevalence of images of violence, destruction, mayhem, whatever have desensitized us in modern times. You're implying, at least, that going back in history, each generation before was progressively "more sensitive".
I'm not sure that's true, actually. I think there was a time, not that long ago, in which virtually nobody WAS "sensitive". To take it to extremes, I think "sensitivity" would have been counterproductive for, say, Cro Magnon man. So clearly, at some point in our evolution into more intellectual beings we picked up a veneer of what, for lack of a better word, we're calling "sensitivity".
And I'd be inclined to agree with you that as far as these things go we've been backsliding lately. Compared with, say, children of the 50's in the USA, our kids now are appallingly insensitive to violence and general mayhem. But, for the sake of argument, I'd submit that this whole era of the "American Promise" was a thing of smoke and mirrors, and it was inevitable that it would not last.
R.
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10/17/2007 02:51:29 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I love this pphoto by the way... makes me wanna live more, not get angry... am I the only one? |
That horse had cancer and died shortly thereafter. No joke. So there you have it. |
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10/17/2007 02:52:09 PM · #17 |
you talk like you were raised in the 40s where no one saw anything. Youre only 43. War and atrocities were very visible your entire life. Vietnam war was on TV every night throughout the conflict and every war after that.
I agree, I don't think photography is for you. If you can't handle a picture of a naked person or a war photo, what are your trying to accomplish with your camera. I don't think someone can be closed minded to these things and add anything of value to the art. |
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10/17/2007 02:58:12 PM · #18 |
edited.
Now you can get back to your other pointless rant.
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
...smoke a joint and just take it easy. |
that was one of my problems... most of my friends did, and they seem like handling everything pretty good now.. .I didn't do any drugs, look what happened.
I do NOT say we should do drugs to handle things, but why we drink at the first place... to forget... and do drugs? to forget more... if there is nothing to forget, why drink or do drugs?
(Now, lets get back to my original rant...)
my anger is gone now. so, move on people... there is nothing to see here.
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I love this pphoto by the way... makes me wanna live more, not get angry... am I the only one? |
Message edited by author 2007-10-29 15:09:21. |
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10/17/2007 02:59:51 PM · #19 |
This gets to be very personal then. I believe our imagination through our eyes and our lenses are sidetracked to maybe a real world, more than imaginary world that I was talking about. Maybe, it's better to be insensitive than not being one. This way we could be better people in long run; who knows. It's an evolution, not revolution if you ask me. There must be something. "I" either get-away or "try" to live with it.
Is it really worth to force myself after this time, and see things that I don't want to see, or just walk away?
I donno, I think I will make my mind soon enough. I still do have my choice.
Last couple of challenges a bit affected me though. Call me "rabbit", "kitty", whatever. for me, they were too much.
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 15:13:41. |
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10/17/2007 03:01:05 PM · #20 |
I agree, people drink and do drugs because being high feels better than not being high.
I'm also excited to read that Jmnuggy is a big stoner. Good luck trying to figure out if I returned that 85 1.2L or if you already sent it to someone else and forgot to write it down.
Thanks for the free lens, Cheech! |
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10/17/2007 03:04:02 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
I would like to call bullshit on your reasoning for drugs and drinking. People don't drink to forget. People drink because they want to. I drink and Im not trying to forget anything, I go to the pub for dinner with friends probably 3-5 days a week. I don't drink till Im blind every night, but I usually have a few beers, why? I like good beer. I also smoke weed and advocate its legalization, why? I like it. Im not trying to forget more, I just enjoy it. I also have a full time job, just started www.rentphotostuff.com, shoot weddings on the weekends and take aikido and iaido classes 4 times a week.
Now you can get back to your other pointless rant.
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Sounds like that's working out good for you. You seem happy. :D |
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10/17/2007 03:07:09 PM · #22 |
HA HA.
Things are working out OK for me and I think I am happy. I was raised on the mentality of everything in balance. You want to drink fine, just get your shit done. If you can't get your shit done and drink you have a problem. I think Ive kept that mentality.
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I agree, people drink and do drugs because being high feels better than not being high.
I'm also excited to read that Jmnuggy is a big stoner. Good luck trying to figure out if I returned that 85 1.2L or if you already sent it to someone else and forgot to write it down.
Thanks for the free lens, Cheech! |
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 15:10:12. |
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10/17/2007 03:13:39 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by hopper:
the images you reference are still in voting and should be reported if you feel they're against the terms of service ... perhaps the site counsel will agree with you.
as far as i know, mimicking drug use is against the TOS
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If I remember correctly, there was an image in maybe the NIGHTMARE challenge of someone sitting in the bathroom, tied off and leanigng against the bowl dropping a spike into their arm....so I odnt know how frequently mimiced drug use is an enforced violation. |
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10/17/2007 03:16:44 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by hopper:
the images you reference are still in voting and should be reported if you feel they're against the terms of service ... perhaps the site counsel will agree with you.
as far as i know, mimicking drug use is against the TOS
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If I remember correctly, there was an image in maybe the NIGHTMARE challenge of someone sitting in the bathroom, tied off and leanigng against the bowl dropping a spike into their arm....so I odnt know how frequently mimiced drug use is an enforced violation. |
In one way, maybe we can live with these kinds of shotsâ€Â¦ but if you use a 9 years old child, it gets a bit more harsh than the message you want to send... and remember, this is an open site, although the whole Internet is open, I conceder this site to be decent site for younger people. and they see these things. I sure don't want my two 10 years to see it...
Put it this way, if those photos affect a grown man like me, thinking I am not going crazy here, think what they can do to younger brains. |
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10/17/2007 03:30:18 PM · #25 |
The effect on younger brains can be possitive. If you sat and viewed these images with them and explained what is possitive and what is negative and why, I think they would be better off than just shielding them from it.
If its a staged image of something "bad" explain its make believe and explain the positives about lighting and special effects and how to position a model.
If its a real image explain what lead up to such a terrible event.
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