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10/17/2007 06:31:41 AM · #1 |
Interesting read on MSNBC about B&H Photo. I know most people swear by their prices and exceptional customer service, but this might shock many of you.
BH Photo Settlement
I apologize in advance if this has already been posted and I missed it.
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10/17/2007 06:38:58 AM · #2 |
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10/17/2007 06:52:02 AM · #3 |
sad ... hopefully (read: best case scenario) it's only one or a few higher ups that are to blame, but either way, it's a sad day.
equally sad is the fact that it won't change my buying habits from them. |
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10/17/2007 08:22:44 AM · #4 |
| Alls that article did was made me want to go to NYC and check out the actual store. I had no idea it was such a huge joint. |
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10/17/2007 08:26:45 AM · #5 |
| That's horrible, I'm going to try and find a different place to buy from now. |
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10/17/2007 08:36:59 AM · #6 |
I was looking at about a thousand page catalog today at work. They have a contract with government so government offices can purcahse from there with increased spending limits and supposedly cheaper prices.
I am curious if this will lead to a cancellation of that contract.
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Alls that article did was made me want to go to NYC and check out the actual store. I had no idea it was such a huge joint. |
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10/17/2007 08:37:02 AM · #7 |
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10/17/2007 09:04:07 AM · #8 |
I was there a few times and it is my favorite store to shop in. I was just going to get a flat panel LCD TV from them. Their prices are way better than any of our local stores and the selection is much better too.
I hope this doesn't affect the prices too much.
It's too bad about this, but it's probably blown way out of proportion. I didn't see the whole case, but when I was there, I looked around and didn't quite fit in with all the employees that I saw. Their culture was way different than my own, and I wouldn't have applied for a job there. You would expect preferential treatment since the majority of employees are frields and relatives. I am not saying 'unjust' this or that, but if I had a business, I should be able to pay my own daughter whatever I wanted, esp. if it was a privately owned business. |
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10/17/2007 09:27:06 AM · #9 |
Yea I read this story this morning in the paper... wow that sucks
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10/17/2007 09:47:40 AM · #10 |
So how is this different from a thousand other businesses in the US that practice the same thing in one form or another? Wal-Mart has been in the news for the last several years over this as have a number of other big name businesses. I've worked in places where I've seen the differences of how men and women are treated when it comes to pay and promotions. Our government is probably about as big an offender as any company out there.
And of those that are upset about this and won't buy from them again... does this mean you won't ever buy another hamburger, chineese takeout, pizza, etc., either?
No, it doesn't make it right, but if you think B&H and a few other places are the only ones that under pay their cheap labor, you haven't been looking.
Mike |
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10/17/2007 09:52:10 AM · #11 |
| I guess we can't eat fresh veggies either - the farm workers in california and other places sure aren't compensated the same as home grown US workers... |
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10/17/2007 09:56:04 AM · #12 |
this argument suggests that anytime an injustice is discovered it should be ignored because there are other injustices in existence.
knowing full well the world is full of corruption, this story still makes me sad, that's all
and i still intend to buy from them
Originally posted by MikeJ:
So how is this different from a thousand other businesses in the US that practice the same thing in one form or another? Wal-Mart has been in the news for the last several years over this as have a number of other big name businesses. I've worked in places where I've seen the differences of how men and women are treated when it comes to pay and promotions. Our government is probably about as big an offender as any company out there.
And of those that are upset about this and won't buy from them again... does this mean you won't ever buy another hamburger, chineese takeout, pizza, etc., either?
No, it doesn't make it right, but if you think B&H and a few other places are the only ones that under pay their cheap labor, you haven't been looking.
Mike |
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10/17/2007 09:58:52 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
I guess we can't eat fresh veggies either - the farm workers in california and other places sure aren't compensated the same as home grown US workers... |
If they were, lettuce would be $5/head. |
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10/17/2007 09:59:01 AM · #14 |
Not sure how this will effect my long term purchasing. They are making good on providing a settlement, but it still leaves a bad taste.
This could make it a little more difficult to get BH prices when negotiating with another vendor. Samy's is pretty good about giving BH prices, maybe not now.
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10/17/2007 10:19:47 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Not sure how this will effect my long term purchasing. They are making good on providing a settlement, but it still leaves a bad taste.
This could make it a little more difficult to get BH prices when negotiating with another vendor. Samy's is pretty good about giving BH prices, maybe not now. |
Does buying produce leave the same bad taste? How about meat? The labor involved in both is largely underpaid, hispanic labor. |
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10/17/2007 10:24:21 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
So how is this different from a thousand other businesses in the US that practice the same thing in one form or another? Wal-Mart has been in the news for the last several years over this as have a number of other big name businesses. I've worked in places where I've seen the differences of how men and women are treated when it comes to pay and promotions. Our government is probably about as big an offender as any company out there.
And of those that are upset about this and won't buy from them again... does this mean you won't ever buy another hamburger, chineese takeout, pizza, etc., either?
No, it doesn't make it right, but if you think B&H and a few other places are the only ones that under pay their cheap labor, you haven't been looking.
Mike |
The difference is someone wrote an article and now we have to pretend to be shocked and awed and disgusted, as free spirited artists that we all are, with the most upright in moral values and sentiments. Mikes right, im sure 95% of the places we all frequent, work, shop, support financially, etc, have something "unjust" in their business practices. |
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10/17/2007 10:26:06 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
I was looking at about a thousand page catalog today at work. They have a contract with government so government offices can purcahse from there with increased spending limits and supposedly cheaper prices.
I am curious if this will lead to a cancellation of that contract.
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Alls that article did was made me want to go to NYC and check out the actual store. I had no idea it was such a huge joint. |
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You mean the government spend more money, to keep themselves from supporting a business that has less then moral practices...?
HA
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Haaaa. |
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10/17/2007 10:35:11 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bassbone:
I guess we can't eat fresh veggies either - the farm workers in california and other places sure aren't compensated the same as home grown US workers... |
If they were, lettuce would be $5/head. |
So your saying we need more illegal workers so we can live larger? |
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10/17/2007 10:41:10 AM · #19 |
so then why regulate anything? what's the point? laws are broken all the time, why have them?
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
im sure 95% of the places we all frequent, work, shop, support financially, etc, have something "unjust" in their business practices. |
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10/17/2007 10:54:55 AM · #20 |
Just curious... how many of those, if any, were undocumented workers?
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10/17/2007 11:03:43 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Niten:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bassbone:
I guess we can't eat fresh veggies either - the farm workers in california and other places sure aren't compensated the same as home grown US workers... |
If they were, lettuce would be $5/head. |
So your saying we need more illegal workers so we can live larger? |
Nope. I'm just stating a fact. A large portion of the workers doing the labor intensive jobs (picking produce, processing meat, etc.) in agriculture are undocumented workers working for very low wages. Replacing those workers with legal workers, even at minimum wage, would greatly increase prices at the checkout lane. That, of course, assumes that it would be possible to even find legal workers willing to do that type of work. Mechanization has made agriculture easier in some ways, but it has not eliminated the necessity for arduous manual labor in many cases. |
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10/17/2007 12:40:43 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by hopper:
so then why regulate anything? what's the point? laws are broken all the time, why have them?
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
im sure 95% of the places we all frequent, work, shop, support financially, etc, have something "unjust" in their business practices. |
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You missed the point. What im saying is don't get high and mighty and act like B&H are satan and you'll never by there, and then go to Walmart to buy some chintzy clothing that was made in a sweatshop in cambodia. There is nothing that bothers me more than people who pick and choose their beliefs based around convenience to them. If you are going to stand for something, stand for it all the time, not just for when its easy or you think you should. |
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10/17/2007 12:49:08 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by bassbone:
I guess we can't eat fresh veggies either - the farm workers in california and other places sure aren't compensated the same as home grown US workers... |
If they were, lettuce would be $5/head. |
Actually, one could argue that home grown workers would NOT work for the money being paid,
...(edited to add) a point that was already covered by Spazmo and which I should have read before I penned the first part of this comment.
Ray
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 12:52:32. |
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10/17/2007 12:50:44 PM · #24 |
i got your point, i'm not sure you're getting mine
exactly one person said they weren't going to shop there anymore ... who's getting high and mighty?
I agree with you that people can be reactionary, but that's not happening in this thread ... we're just discussing the news. no one's on a soapbox that i see
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by hopper:
so then why regulate anything? what's the point? laws are broken all the time, why have them?
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
im sure 95% of the places we all frequent, work, shop, support financially, etc, have something "unjust" in their business practices. |
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You missed the point. What im saying is don't get high and mighty and act like B&H are satan and you'll never by there, and then go to Walmart to buy some chintzy clothing that was made in a sweatshop in cambodia. There is nothing that bothers me more than people who pick and choose their beliefs based around convenience to them. If you are going to stand for something, stand for it all the time, not just for when its easy or you think you should. |
Message edited by author 2007-10-17 12:51:01. |
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10/17/2007 01:01:12 PM · #25 |
And I am expecting an order from them today...
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