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10/12/2007 04:38:43 PM · #26 |
Global warming destroys resources; crops, livestock, and, perhaps most important of all, water supplies. Drought, famine etc. all drive people to desperate measures, one of which is to take what one needs, by force (i.e. warfare), from those who have those resources, no matter how limited their supply may be.
In areas where drought and famine are rampant, water is the new oil. In other words, it's worth going to war over water. |
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10/12/2007 04:43:15 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: I get it....same old, same old.....do as I say, not as I do.
He's a hypocrite full of hot air......hmm....a politician; I know *I'm* shocked.....NOT!!!! |
Just to put this into context, Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1973... ahem... |
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10/12/2007 04:43:48 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Originally posted by NikonJeb:
All of this goes under the supposition that we have enough data to support the global warming theory as it is.
Which we don't.
We don't have a couple million years of verified data.
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Originally posted by Spazmo99: So, just how much data does it take to convince you?
Does your head need to be engulfed in flames to know that fire is hot?
You must not believe that smoking causes cancer either. The argument you give to refute Global warming is the same argument that the tobacco industry used to assert that smoking was safe. |
You know what?
I do know better.
I'm done.....lots of luck. |
I don't think you do know.
Yes, take an indefensible position and then when you get called on it, just take your ball and go home. Nice.
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10/12/2007 04:45:59 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99: You must not believe that smoking causes cancer either. |
No, I'm pretty much convinced of that since my mother died of lung cancer and my aunt died of emphysema, both from smoking.
Perhaps you'd care to tell me why you're such a jerk that you would even make a comment like that?
On what level can you make a leap like that and try and project such a thing on me?
This is the kind of irresponsible, antagonistic, just plain mean comments that get made in these threads that make me want to leave this site entirely.
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10/12/2007 04:48:41 PM · #30 |
What Spazmo said: the conservation of resources, the enlightened stewardship of the planet, across national boundary lines, is a MAJOR step towards a meaningful peace. If we didn't need oil, the Middle east situation would not be what it is. If things don't change, there will soon be wars over water and food; it's happened before.
What Gore and that committee have done, and what the Nobel committee hopes to do by awarding this prize, is "popularize" this immensely important battle, bring it to the forefront of everyday awareness.
Even if "global warming" proves not to be a fact, there's no downside whatsoever to conservation of resources.
R.
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10/12/2007 04:49:12 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99: Yes, take an indefensible position and then when you get called on it, just take your ball and go home. Nice. |
What part of wanting Gore to actually do something rather than just play Chicken Little is indefensible?
*ONE* example, just give me one!
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10/12/2007 04:49:56 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: What the Hell happened to the cars that were getting smaller and lighter and having fule mileage creep up into the 40 mpg area? They're being replaced by 6000 pound, $50,000 pound Lincoln and Cadillac SUVs! |
That would be your government's fault. By the way, that's the same government that thinks that "more research" is required to prove the veracity of human-initiated global warming.
Edit word order. 8-P
Message edited by author 2007-10-12 16:50:38. |
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10/12/2007 04:56:29 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Originally posted by Spazmo99: You must not believe that smoking causes cancer either. |
No, I'm pretty much convinced of that since my mother died of lung cancer and my aunt died of emphysema, both from smoking.
Perhaps you'd care to tell me why you're such a jerk that you would even make a comment like that?
On what level can you make a leap like that and try and project such a thing on me?
This is the kind of irresponsible, antagonistic, just plain mean comments that get made in these threads that make me want to leave this site entirely. |
As I said in my post, the same logic you use to assert that Global Warming is unproven is exactly the same logic that the tobacco industry took to court to show that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, heart disease, emphysema or any other number of ailments commonly associated with smoking. They were quite successful in refuting claims against them based on that argument.
If your argument is logical, as you presume, then the tobacco industry's argument must also be logical even though no one in their right mind believes it.
It has nothing to do with you personally. |
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10/12/2007 04:57:42 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: What Spazmo said: the conservation of resources, the enlightened stewardship of the planet, across national boundary lines, is a MAJOR step towards a meaningful peace. If we didn't need oil, the Middle east situation would not be what it is. If things don't change, there will soon be wars over water and food; it's happened before.
What Gore and that committee have done, and what the Nobel committee hopes to do by awarding this prize, is "popularize" this immensely important battle, bring it to the forefront of everyday awareness.
Even if "global warming" proves not to be a fact, there's no downside whatsoever to conservation of resources.
R. |
I'm not saying that we don't have a problem.
But, and this is a large but, it's the crisis du jour, and because it's popular, Gore hitched his wagon to it.
I do not for one second believe that his motivastions are as altruistic as he would have us believe, and I just want to see action and results.
In 1973, we were going to run out of oil, so things changed....a LOT!!!!
Now, our oil needs are worse than ever, but since there's a perception of oil reserves that's greater than it's ever been, there's a jillion SUVs out there that get atrocious gas mileage.
I won't drive one, I don't keep my house heated to 74º, I use plastic bags over, I recycle intelligently, and I have been doing so for a long time.
Has this revelation from Gore really been that much of an enlightenment, do you think?
Is anyone that's in this discussion newly apprised of this, or were they when his movie came out?
When did the phrase "Greenhouse Effect" come into existence?
1829!
I'm just going back to my premise that I'm just agog at the whole concept of Gore being credited with good over this issue that's bee around for a very long time.
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10/12/2007 04:58:43 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Gore is a hypocrite and isn't actually *doing* anything. |
Not doing anything? That's just silly. All he talks about is global warming and its impact on the planet. He's been doing so since the 1970s. He's brought it the attention of the masses through lectures and movies. He's appeared before the gluttonous nay-sayers in Congress with the pleas of 500,000 Americans to actually do something (the only ones who can). That big honkin' house you're bitching about is carbon-neutral. Them's three examples. Gimme Google and I'll gitcha more. |
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10/12/2007 05:02:35 PM · #36 |
Oh, that's sooooooo wrong!
Originally posted by Louis: By the way, that's the same government that thinks that "more research" is required to prove the veracity of human-initiated global warming.
Edit word order. 8-P |
And here again, I'm not questioning that we have a problem......but it's one of MANY!!!!
You cannot deny that we have a funny way of taking care, or not, of the planet. Nor can I, nor do I want to......that was never my position.
Message edited by author 2007-10-12 17:03:37.
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10/12/2007 05:11:52 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Louis: Originally posted by NikonJeb: Gore is a hypocrite and isn't actually *doing* anything. |
Not doing anything? That's just silly. All he talks about is global warming and its impact on the planet. He's been doing so since the 1970s. He's brought it the attention of the masses through lectures and movies. He's appeared before the gluttonous nay-sayers in Congress with the pleas of 500,000 Americans to actually do something (the only ones who can). That big honkin' house you're bitching about is carbon-neutral. Them's three examples. Gimme Google and I'll gitcha more. |
Okay, but what are his plans? Solutions? What's he doing to do his part?
Once again, this carbon-neutral house is still a disgustingly extravagant display of conspicuous consumption.
Was this house built during these times when he's bringing the problem of global warming to the masses?
Wouldn't that be at cross-purposes with his message?
How many trees were killed for the wood? How much energy was consumed building this place compared to a regular house?
What on earth does he need a 10,000 square foot house for if he's trying to project an image of conservatism?
It just doesn't make sense to me......not like he has to answer to me......but it begs the question.
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10/12/2007 05:11:53 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Louis: Originally posted by NikonJeb: Gore is a hypocrite and isn't actually *doing* anything. |
Not doing anything? That's just silly. All he talks about is global warming and its impact on the planet. He's been doing so since the 1970s. He's brought it the attention of the masses through lectures and movies. He's appeared before the gluttonous nay-sayers in Congress with the pleas of 500,000 Americans to actually do something (the only ones who can). That big honkin' house you're bitching about is carbon-neutral. Them's three examples. Gimme Google and I'll gitcha more. |
Bolded the word that causes many of us to have a problem. |
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10/12/2007 05:13:01 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99: If your argument is logical, as you presume, then the tobacco industry's argument must also be logical even though no one in their right mind believes it.
It has nothing to do with you personally. |
My apologies.
These "discussions" cause me to take leave of my right mind.
Message edited by author 2007-10-12 17:14:07.
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10/12/2007 05:22:00 PM · #40 |
With the whole world sitting around while places like Darfur continue to be a festering, genocidal wound I suppose it's small wonder that the PEACE prize goes to people concerned with climate change.
I don't care that Gore won it, I just don't understand the logic.
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10/12/2007 05:43:37 PM · #41 |
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10/12/2007 05:49:23 PM · #42 |
Doesn't anyone watch CANE?
Sugar is the new OIL!!!!!
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10/12/2007 06:35:11 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Originally posted by Spazmo99: If your argument is logical, as you presume, then the tobacco industry's argument must also be logical even though no one in their right mind believes it.
It has nothing to do with you personally. |
My apologies.
These "discussions" cause me to take leave of my right mind. |
Apology accepted.
I assure that I meant nothing personal by the reference to smoking and the tobacco industry. |
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10/12/2007 07:50:12 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by karmat: Originally posted by Louis: Originally posted by NikonJeb: Gore is a hypocrite and isn't actually *doing* anything. |
Not doing anything? That's just silly. All he talks about is global warming and its impact on the planet. He's been doing so since the 1970s. He's brought it the attention of the masses through lectures and movies. He's appeared before the gluttonous nay-sayers in Congress with the pleas of 500,000 Americans to actually do something (the only ones who can). That big honkin' house you're bitching about is carbon-neutral. Them's three examples. Gimme Google and I'll gitcha more. |
Bolded the word that causes many of us to have a problem. |
Aside from creating public awareness and lobbying or confronting your government, as he's been doing, I don't see what else he can do. Use his ample girth to plug up a few smokestacks? Maybe he could reduce the emissions his big house generates. Oh wait, that's done. |
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10/12/2007 08:03:44 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Gore is a hypocrite and isn't actually *doing* anything. |
Oh, and here's another for you, regarding his recent Nobel prize winnings:
"The former vice president said he would donate his half of the $1.5 million prize to the Alliance for Climate Protection, an organization he founded to persuade people to reduce global warming by cutting pollution."
I suppose you could argue that he's really donating the money to himself, eh? Story. |
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10/12/2007 08:05:19 PM · #46 |
Good reading between clients! okay, back to the studio. :)
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10/12/2007 08:39:56 PM · #47 |
You know I was thinking of getting 7 SUVs but until now I thought that was bad for the environment and conservation in general. However, if I do it the Gore way I can have my cake and eat it too. So anybody know how many trees I have to plant to turn those SUVs carbon neutral? I'd like to use them to promote conservation like what Gore's been doing but with those SUVs (mobile advertising). You don't think I'd be hurting the cause by using SUVs in that way? Surely not.
Message edited by author 2007-10-12 20:41:41. |
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10/12/2007 09:11:38 PM · #48 |
Keep it up. I am developing an idea for a documentary about rage in the rant forums. My purpose is to raise awareness and put an end to the high levels of stress and hostility which have been proven to lead to early death. Feel free to nominate me for the Nobel peace prize. I'll donate my winnings to the FLRF (Foundation for Less Rage in the Forums).
ps: I am Rage-Neutral, for you sonsabitches that call me a hypocrite. :P |
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10/12/2007 09:36:42 PM · #49 |
Geez! Everyone just take a deep breath, count to 10, relax, and enjoy Al's internet. With all the hot air here it feels warmer already.
Sorry about starting a big scrap by just posting a link.
My personal feeling is that Al is sincere about what he is trying to do by putting before the people the trend that global warming is actually happening. I am not so sure about all the science behind it, but it is happening, for whatever reasons.
Sea levels go up and down over time, for instance there are cooking fire remains over 60 ft below sea level in springs in Florida.
I like green living too, and feel that we Americans as a nation abuse our resources mercilessly. Economic pressure is the key to changing the way people act, and it is coming on now, in case you haven't been to the gas pump lately to see for yourself.
I see no reason to get up in arms about Al, he is just doing his thing, and won a prize. Shoot, I have a world championship 1'st place trophy for launching a pumpkin farther than anyone else with the "Spooky Bazookey" and only human power, so that makes us even. How green is that? : )
Message edited by author 2007-10-12 21:38:48.
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10/12/2007 09:46:50 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer: I have a world championship 1'st place trophy for launching a pumpkin farther than anyone else with the "Spooky Bazookey" and only human power, so that makes us even. How green is that? : ) |
I dunno.....how much spinach did you eat to do that?.....8>)
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