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10/10/2007 12:54:25 AM · #26 |
| Maybe if you pick it up and hold it closer to the camera we can get a better look at it? |
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10/10/2007 07:04:33 AM · #27 |
I still think Rat Snake. A Copperhead's head is not marked with patterns. Also, this snake is either long or will be long. Copperheads do not normally get much longr than 3 ft. and are fairly wide bodied.
Copperhead
Rat snake look at juvenile photo |
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10/10/2007 08:45:25 AM · #28 |
My snake knowledgable coworker (whose dead snake pictures get more attention than my photography) says it's a copperhead.
Message edited by author 2007-10-10 08:46:07. |
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10/10/2007 08:49:47 AM · #29 |
It's funny (not funny haha), but the OP hasn't checked back in. I hope he's not laying on the ground somewhere swelled up with venom!
David at least say you're OK! |
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10/10/2007 09:04:06 AM · #30 |
You know, that looks an AWFUL lot like a juvenile Cottonmouth....
Really - the head shape is right, the banding is right on. Cottonmouths lose that splotchy bands when they get bigger, but he looks like a baby. They look a lot like copperheads when they are young...
Is the tip of its tail a greenish hue? If it is, I'd put money that its a baby Cottonmouth.
Oh, the arrow-head head thing is a pretty good indicator! Another good one is if you can see its pupils - round is non-venomous, slit like a cat are venomous.
Hope that helps! DON'T TOUCH IT! lol
Edit to add: Juvy copperheads have green tails too now that I look it up to double check my facts. If it doesn't have a greentail its a Copperhead. Either way, don't touch it!
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10/10/2007 09:10:28 AM · #31 |
Here: Snake ID (Florida)
I use that link when I am down south, especially around the ruins of New Orleans and stuff. Might help you.
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10/10/2007 10:41:48 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
It's funny (not funny haha), but the OP hasn't checked back in. I hope he's not laying on the ground somewhere swelled up with venom!
David at least say you're OK! |
Thanks for asking.....yep, I'm ok. This guy was about 18 inches long and 1/2 inch at head.... 3/8 behind head.
I normally don't kill snakes but this one had to go. |
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10/10/2007 12:28:30 PM · #33 |
Again - juvenile cornsnakes and ratsnakes will both flatten their heads out to the diamond/triangular shape when they feel threatened. My roommate and I own over 100 snakes and many of the babies will do this. They will also rattle their tales to imitate a rattlesnake. Due to the pattern, size and coloration I would say with 99% certainty that one is a juvenile ratsnake. It also has round pupils - that is the dead giveaway - a Copperhead has slit pupils....
I cannot get this pic to copy over here - but on this link there is a close up shot of a Copperhead eye and you can clearly see the difference:
Hilton Pond article with Copperhead eye shot
It is also not a juvenile Cottonmouth - the banded pattern is too close together - a Cottonmouth has a more splotchy pattern as a juvenile - similar to a Copperhead:
Juvenile Cottonmouth photo
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10/10/2007 12:40:39 PM · #34 |
| i'm casting my vote for rat snake, too. young copperheads have bright yellowish tails which this one doesn't seem to have. |
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10/10/2007 01:36:13 PM · #35 |
I haven't read all the reply threads, but I found this link that seemed to have several that had similar markings to yours.
//surgery.uthscsa.edu/stpc/snakes.asp
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10/10/2007 01:46:58 PM · #36 |
| Another vote for rat snake. The giveaway for me is the band that goes from the sides of the head "through" the eyes and across the snout, typical of rat and corn snakes (although not apparant on yellow rat snakes). But ya, that head does look threatening at first glance. |
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