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 09/04/2003 10:19:50 AM · #26
Until I saw ASITV's post I had forgotten that the nasty e-mail on my critque (which was hardly a critique -- just a low score) was also sent to me before the contest had ended. I was also wondering how someone gets to see the voting before it is over.
 09/05/2003 12:46:08 AM · #27
Personally, I was raised that if you can't be civil to another person, it is best you say nothing at all. Constructive criticism is one thing, but malice has no place in DPChallenge.
 09/05/2003 06:13:43 AM · #28
Several people who should know better have sent comments that have left me aghast, thinking 'how on earth could they have thought that would ever be helpful?'
I propose a name and shame column, but this one would be more diplomatic in that as well as naming the culprit and posting the offending comment, the receiver of the comment would also have to say why the comment was not helpful and how it might have been worded/ added on to make it better.
What does everyone think?
 09/05/2003 06:50:16 AM · #29
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I propose a name and shame column, but this one would be more diplomatic in that as well as naming the culprit and posting the offending comment, the receiver of the comment would also have to say why the comment was not helpful and how it might have been worded/ added on to make it better.
What does everyone think?

How about encouraging people to comment constructively, rather than punishing them for being harsh?

Personally, I'd be a lot less inclined to comment with the potential someone may take it the wrong way and I'd get publicly humiliated.

As I've said before - we need some way of showing public appreciation for frequent and constructive commenters.
 09/05/2003 07:21:58 AM · #30
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
How about encouraging people to comment constructively, rather than punishing them for being harsh?

Personally, I'd be a lot less inclined to comment with the potential someone may take it the wrong way and I'd get publicly humiliated.

As I've said before - we need some way of showing public appreciation for frequent and constructive commenters.

I'm not talking about pointing out harsh comments, I'm talking about comments that are almost irrelevant to the photography. I have no problem with harsh comments, just inane one-short-sentence comments from people who can't be bothered to leave any kind of critique. Surely you know what I mean, or should I start posting some of them?! ;-)
 09/05/2003 07:27:52 AM · #31
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
How about encouraging people to comment constructively, rather than punishing them for being harsh?

Personally, I'd be a lot less inclined to comment with the potential someone may take it the wrong way and I'd get publicly humiliated.

As I've said before - we need some way of showing public appreciation for frequent and constructive commenters.


No wonder you didn't see what I meant, I had a quick look at your portfolio, and you've NEVER received one of the comments I was talking about, all yours are helpful. The comments you give out also seem to be of a high quality. With regards to received comments, not everyone is so lucky!
 09/05/2003 07:30:24 AM · #32
I have learned the most from this site from the comments I receive..that is what this is all about is construtive criticism that will help you learn and produce better quality photos.Suggestions I have received on my photos help me to learn what to do and what not to do to achieve the quality photos I strive to achieve..getting better and learning more thanks to the good people who take the time to give me comments..good comments help me to have the confidence to keep trying..constructive cristism helps me see where I can do better.So keep up the comments and for the negative e-mail that person ought not to be on here if they don't want other people's opinions on their photos.
 09/05/2003 07:33:18 AM · #33
Naming and shaming is definitely the answer. Bob's solution is great. End of subject. Let's all go home. ;)
 09/05/2003 07:48:40 AM · #34
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
No wonder you didn't see what I meant, I had a quick look at your portfolio, and you've NEVER received one of the comments I was talking about, all yours are helpful. The comments you give out also seem to be of a high quality. With regards to received comments, not everyone is so lucky!

Not having coming across the problem myself will most likely make me more objective..

Having some sort of negative repercussions will likely reduce the total number of comments. This can't be a good thing.
 09/05/2003 07:54:00 AM · #35
You say that naming and shaming is the answer, but have you never made a comment and it was taken the wrong way?
I would tend to say that unless a comment is blatantly ridiculous that you asked for clarification before you attempt to shame the person who made it.

The private messaging feature is there for just that reason, and if at the end of it all you elect to shame the person then I would agree that that is one solution. It is however a nasty solution, and let's face it most people don't go out of their way to hurt another person's feelings. I would suggest that when you decide to shame the person that you then post their comment followed by your own questioning of why it was left. This could then also be followed with their reply to how you question them. This would always provide both sides of the argument, and as such would provide the best solution that I can see.

I personally disapprove of trying to shame someone, but if people leaving comments that some people (like the person who started this post) will refuse to post in the forums then it may be the only option. However I have also noticed from some other people's posts that there are children on the forum, of whom I don't know the age, but I think that if the comments are blatantly abusive and full of foul language then the age of people viewing the posts many to be considered.

Of course this is just my two cents from the fact that I have been on other forums which deteriorated into flaming battles -- not something that I have ever appreciated.
 09/05/2003 08:07:53 AM · #36
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Naming and shaming is definitely the answer. Bob's solution is great. End of subject. Let's all go home. ;)



All this does is bring you down to the level of the person making the comments.
09/05/2003 08:10:36 AM · #37
Fair enough, I stand down from my suggestion.
My reasoning behind it (and I did say that I would also post along with the comment why I think it was not helpful) is that if people are not being helpful, this would point it out and point the way forward in becoming more helpful. I didn't intend the idea to humiliate people, just to make the community a more helpful place to be.
 09/05/2003 08:56:39 AM · #38
Originally posted by sonnyh:
Until I saw ASITV's post I had forgotten that the nasty e-mail on my critque (which was hardly a critique -- just a low score) was also sent to me before the contest had ended. I was also wondering how someone gets to see the voting before it is over.


If they're watching the stats closely, they can do a little math whenever a new vote is cast and calculate what the last person's vote was. Perhaps comments shouldn't be viewable until after the voting is done.
 09/05/2003 12:34:54 PM · #39
I have had 3 seperate instances where the photographer emailed me numerous times with nasty emails telling me I was wrong etc... Funny how each time it was all the same person. I have also heard from others that this person has emailed them also with nasty remarks regarding their critiques. I have come to the conclusion that this person doesn't really want critiques and shouldn't be posting. If I had a way of telling which photo was theirs, I would certainly avoid them. Unfortunately, i'm still wasting my time trying to help. :(
 09/05/2003 01:33:10 PM · #40
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I propose a name and shame column, but this one would be more diplomatic in that as well as naming the culprit and posting the offending comment, the receiver of the comment would also have to say why the comment was not helpful and how it might have been worded/ added on to make it better.
What does everyone think?

How about encouraging people to comment constructively, rather than punishing them for being harsh?

Personally, I'd be a lot less inclined to comment with the potenti

someone may take it the wrong way and I'd get publicly humiliated.
There are some people on this site that know how to point out my mistakes in a nice way. I learn a lot from them and always try to thank them for their remarks but I don't learn much from the ones that that try to be harsh as they can be. Yes I have mis understood a comment on one occasion. On a thread such as this the personpicked up on a comment and P/message me so don't be so quick to get unhappy.
Sue

As I've said before - we need some way of showing public appreciation for frequent and constructive commenters.


Message edited by author 2003-09-05 13:44:28.
 09/05/2003 01:39:03 PM · #41
There is one easy solution for a single person who tends to send ... abrupt messages about comments, just block thier incoming name as if they were a spammer. That way can continue to comment everyone's picture and don't have to worry about being attacked for trying to help.

There are some people who just are not worth the worry. Besides even if they don't appeciate the comments the other photographers here can learn both from others pictures AND from the comments made by them. I have not personally managed to enter a challage yet, but that does not mean I have not learned a great deal both from the good image and poor ones, and that the comments since viewable by all really do help ALL photographers on the site. At least that is how I choose to see it. The glass being 99% full, and easy enough to screen out any flaming. That is what the rant section is for and why I have my setting so I don't even see it. I am here to learn and help others learn as well. Not to be put down or to put others down.

Message edited by author 2003-09-05 13:44:58.
 09/05/2003 06:12:14 PM · #42
Originally posted by STEINR:
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Naming and shaming is definitely the answer. Bob's solution is great. End of subject. Let's all go home. ;)

All this does is bring you down to the level of the person making the comments.

Correction - subject open again! ;)

This is really sad. My opinion is this. If someone really wants to leave some nasty stuff on a site that is public domain (even a PM) then they run the risk of it becoming public. If they don't stand behind their comments when made public then they're cowards. After all, this is a just a photo challenge site - no one's getting hurt. Embrassment is a good leveller.
 04/17/2004 06:55:58 PM · #43
i would do exzctly what u said or i would report it
04/17/2004 07:08:32 PM · #44
I must say, most commenters are pretty diplomatic when it comes to expressing their dislikes. But every now and then you get a "this really sucks" comment. It's hilarious more than upsetting though, when you consider that the best they can muster is "this sucks" even if they do manage to say it more than once. Rather than comment via email though I think it's best to chaulk it up to their ignorance and leave it at that.
 04/17/2004 08:14:59 PM · #45
I think there are two things we need to work on:

1) People replying with rude messages. (IMHO, the most immediate cure for this is your delete button, and then a good 15 minutes with your camera in your hand trying to make something off your desk look cool.)

2) Our own thin skins. It is natural for people to have bad reactions to negative feedback, so the burden is on the commenters to package that in a way that is nice enough to get past the initial bad reaction (and, I know I'm not the best at this myself, but I am trying to improve.)

My proposal is to have an ongoing competition for commenters, similar to the weekly challenge. Basically, we could have a page that would list six commenters per week. The six would be:

1st, 2nd, 3rd in number of comments (hurdle would be at least 1/2 would have to be marked "helpful")

1st, 2nd, 3rd in terms of percentage of helpful comments (above some minimum, say 15?)

And of course, for the perenial high achievers in the commenting arena, we could post the brown ribbon in each category. That might also serve to highlight problems like voting only ids, consistently rude people, etc.

It might also give people who miss both weekly challenges due to other life commitments something to strive for in a given week.

Just a thought,
Bill M.
 04/17/2004 10:55:55 PM · #46
Originally posted by sonnyh:
I used to comment all the time on peoples pictues that I was voting on, but then one day I commented on a photo (not sarcastically either) but gave that photo a low rating as I didn't think it was very good quality. Well, the person sent me an e-mail back and wasn't very nice (to say the least). Does DP have anything in place to try and stop that kind of behavior. To tell you the truth -- I haven't commented too much since then.


If it's the same photograph I'm thinking of, it scored 3.889 and placed 158 out 185. If so I hope the person will reconsider what was said and issue an apology to you.
 04/17/2004 11:21:57 PM · #47
the first shot i ever took got the comment "baaaaaaaaaad"
hahaha the comment was warranted, and its bluntness quite funny
tired, thought id share that

love bill's idea of a comment competition, ive seen similar things on different sites... just cant remember what sites... anyway, cheers
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