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 09/16/2007 08:06:53 PM · #1
Well I just spent an entire afternoon and over 1000 clicks trying to emulate a milk drop of IreneM for the Deja Vu III challenge. I finally said the hell with it and gave up. She'll have to give up the secrets sometime in a tutorial.
 09/16/2007 08:13:47 PM · #2
I have been told that it's all down to how you hold your mouth...and the type of chocolate you have in the mix...hehehehe!!
 09/16/2007 08:28:15 PM · #3
I don't know what it is she does or how she does it. I approached this as "how hard can it be" type thing. I figured within a hundred shots or so I would have the timing down and then it would just be a matter of waiting to get something that resembled hers. I was wrong.
 09/16/2007 08:32:30 PM · #4
If she posts a drip tutorial, you owe us a balloon pop one :)
 09/16/2007 08:36:05 PM · #5
Originally posted by buzzrock:
If she posts a drip tutorial, you owe us a balloon pop one :)


The ballon pop thing isn't nothing compared to this. I guess that was one reason I thought the drip thing wouldn't be that bad LOL.
 09/16/2007 09:17:41 PM · #6
It's all in the strobe (and use of).

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 18:05:09.
 09/16/2007 09:21:17 PM · #7
I 've been meaning to build one of those kits that trigger the flash on sound or when something passes between a sensor (both with adjustable delay), but I haven't got around to it yet.

That would eliminate the timing factor from this kind of shots.
 09/17/2007 05:34:34 PM · #8
You're using a flash, right? Even without fancy timers, it isn't all that hard to get the timing down enough to have several usable shots out of 100.

Without a flash and a darkish room, however, I would think it would be nearly impossible.
 09/17/2007 05:52:11 PM · #9
Well, I totally 2nd the kudos to Irene. She not only has a few of those perfect shots people can try to emulate for De Ja Vu challenges, but she seems to be able to plop down her stuff in the liquid of her choice and win ribbons just about any time she tries.

Yes: Tutorial, Irene! Soon, please???? :)

09/17/2007 05:58:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by hsolakidis:
I 've been meaning to build one of those kits that trigger the flash on sound or when something passes between a sensor (both with adjustable delay), but I haven't got around to it yet.

That would eliminate the timing factor from this kind of shots.


I could be wrong but I believe Irene does hers all by hand.
 09/17/2007 05:58:39 PM · #11
3rd the kudos to IreneM. Had a lot of fun yesterday dripping milk into coffee and making an incredible mess with nothing much to show for it.......was fun though.

I would love a tutorial on this Please.
 09/17/2007 06:15:28 PM · #12
Kudos from me too. I also tried it and failed miserably.

Tutorial ... Tutorial..
 09/17/2007 06:19:10 PM · #13
I'm also a closet member of the "Tried and Failed Miserably" Club.
 09/17/2007 07:16:07 PM · #14
I tried and for me capture wasn't problem, but I could not make good milk crowns.
What I used was camera in break mode (shoots 3 in a row). Next time I will try with my cell phone that uses 6 photos in a row.
 09/17/2007 08:50:50 PM · #15
Without proper tools that shot is really hard. You need strobes (not flash), a trigger (which fires the camera when the drop passes a certain point), and a good dropper setup (something that can drop drops at a regular interval).

If you get those, once you tweak the setup (which takes most of the work), you can probably get them with fair regularity.
 09/17/2007 09:02:40 PM · #16
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Without proper tools that shot is really hard.


I really wish if I could use the set up we use in our office for it. (takes 3000+ photos per second)
Just once.

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 21:03:01.
 09/17/2007 09:12:24 PM · #17
She is definately the "QUEEN" of the milk droplet shots.....
She is the Master, and we are the followers.....
She is a true champion.
 09/18/2007 01:16:09 AM · #18
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Without proper tools that shot is really hard. You need strobes (not flash), a trigger (which fires the camera when the drop passes a certain point), and a good dropper setup (something that can drop drops at a regular interval).

If you get those, once you tweak the setup (which takes most of the work), you can probably get them with fair regularity.


She states right in her profile that she doesn't use any of those things. Just good 'ol fashion hand and eye coordination and lots of time and patience.

Originally posted by zxaar:
I tried and for me capture wasn't problem, but I could not make good milk crowns.
What I used was camera in break mode (shoots 3 in a row). Next time I will try with my cell phone that uses 6 photos in a row.


Capture wasn't really my problem either I guess. I couldn't get the crowns whatsoever. I even went from milk to half and half and then to whipping cream thinking maybe it was a density thing. Once I got to the point where I started over analyzing it that bad, I figured I should quit.

Message edited by author 2007-09-18 01:16:34.
 09/18/2007 02:07:14 AM · #19
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

Capture wasn't really my problem either I guess. I couldn't get the crowns whatsoever. I even went from milk to half and half and then to whipping cream thinking maybe it was a density thing. Once I got to the point where I started over analyzing it that bad, I figured I should quit.


I think you need to look here :

//www.photosig.com/articles/1489/article

About the crown , he states :

Setup for different types of drops
For the “crown” type of photo you can use any bowl with a flat surface, turn it upside down and put a thin layer of fluid on the surface (milk works better than waterâ€Â¦) Then just let the drop fall onto the bowl. Check out Timing or The Rise and Fall for the different stages that you will find the crown in.

So I think the trick lies in the surface of the container you are using.
If I were you I would do following :
Set up a mic driven flash assembly.
attach the mic to the bottom of the surface of the flat surface you are going to use for capturing drop.
Now fire the flash from it, that is as soon as the drop hits the surface flash will fire, so there is no problem in capturing the shot.

(in december when I will go to india I will set up this mic driven flash, and try this).

Message edited by author 2007-09-18 02:08:04.
 09/18/2007 03:32:33 AM · #20
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Without proper tools that shot is really hard. You need strobes (not flash), a trigger (which fires the camera when the drop passes a certain point), and a good dropper setup (something that can drop drops at a regular interval).

If you get those, once you tweak the setup (which takes most of the work), you can probably get them with fair regularity.


Yanko's right, I do all my drop/splash shots by hand. No trigger, no strobes.

I use my SB800 and a Metz slave flash. For dripping I use either a pipette or a syringe. I just stand for hours in the kitchen drip, drip, dripping one liquid into another. It takes a lot of time and patience to get anything decent and there is absolutely no consistency in getting good results. Sometimes I get one or two good ones out of a 4 hour session. Next day, using the EXACT same set-up and settings I get nothing. I've seen me doing 4000 images over the space of a weekend and trashing the lot!

Anyway, thanks for all the the Kudos, folks - I really appreciate it!
 09/18/2007 03:51:44 AM · #21
Originally posted by IreneM:

I just stand for hours in the kitchen drip, drip, dripping one liquid into another.


I tried for 5 -10 minutes and my wife started shouting - get the heck outta my kitchen, you have created mess in my kitchen.

Hours in kitchen for me could only happen over my wife's dead body . (as she put it).
 09/18/2007 03:51:58 AM · #22
Originally posted by buzzrock:
If she posts a drip tutorial, you owe us a balloon pop one :)


There is already a drip tutorial. Check the tutorials section.

On the other hand, doing things by hand is a whole different ball of wax.
 09/18/2007 04:15:55 AM · #23
Originally posted by zxaar:
Originally posted by IreneM:

I just stand for hours in the kitchen drip, drip, dripping one liquid into another.


I tried for 5 -10 minutes and my wife started shouting - get the heck outta my kitchen, you have created mess in my kitchen.

Hours in kitchen for me could only happen over my wife's dead body . (as she put it).


LOL My husband walks by the kitchen muttering "this IS a kitchen, you know. One CAN cook in it". Oh well, he's thin, but he's healthy ;-)
As for the mess - I have clean it up myself, unfortunately ;-)
 09/18/2007 07:25:23 AM · #24
Kudos for the Queen of Splashes ;)
 09/18/2007 12:57:39 PM · #25
Well, it's quite impressive that you do them without triggers. You do so many, I would suggest you look into one and it might make your job much easier.

One question, does the SB800 sync to 1/500th?

I wasn't implying it wasn't possible without the equipment. My own splash was done without any fancy equipment, but I know how much trial and error and complete luck it involved. I figured Irene had a more sophisticated setup going to prevent the frustration.


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