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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

09/14/2007 01:50:55 PM · #4

In the Basic editing rule set... layers can only be used in "normal" mode, you cannot use any other mode (lighten, darken, screen, overlay, etc...)

citymars

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/14/2007 01:53:01 PM · #5

Thanks for your explanation, Sunniee. :-)

09/14/2007 01:55:06 PM · #6

Well crap - I've been using this sharpening method for a long time now, but on which challenges I don't know. Probably on most of 'em. I've also read that others use this method as well.
May as well just go back & DQ most of my entries in basic challenges for the last year or so for illegally sharpening them.

09/14/2007 01:55:32 PM · #7

I'm sorry your image was disqualified. You're very kind in congratulating people.

In Basic editing, only "normal" blending mode is allowed, both when using adjustment layers or when fading. The sharpening method used for this image applies USM in three passes, and fades the second and third pass; the second pass uses "darken" in the fade, the third, "lighten". That is the reason for the DQ, the "darken" and "lighten" blending modes used in the fades.

Sunniee

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

09/14/2007 01:58:36 PM · #8

Is there an action of this process somewhere?

09/14/2007 01:58:39 PM · #9

Originally posted by Brad:

OK, have you been listing this in your editing steps?

I've been using the same method too, for quite a while, I'm sure many of us do. But not in basic.

09/14/2007 01:59:26 PM · #10

Originally posted by Sunniee:

Is there an action of this process somewhere?

You can easily write your own. Use the values listed in the original post, add a copy layer at the beginning if you wish.

Sunniee

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

09/14/2007 02:02:05 PM · #11

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by Sunniee:
Is there an action of this process somewhere?

You can easily write your own. Use the values listed in the original post, add a copy layer at the beginning if you wish.

This could be a problem.... never written one before.... not sure how... LOL

ETA... guess its time to read the tutorial :P

Message edited by author 2007-09-14 14:03:16.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

09/14/2007 02:02:43 PM · #12

(runs back to see if Brad has come in 3rd on any shots I've come in 4th...)

;)

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

09/14/2007 02:07:30 PM · #13

Originally posted by Sunniee:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by Sunniee:
Is there an action of this process somewhere?

You can easily write your own. Use the values listed in the original post, add a copy layer at the beginning if you wish.

This could be a problem.... never written one before.... not sure how... LOL

ETA... guess its time to read the tutorial :P

Oh, sorry. It's quite easy to write your own. This is how I do it: Open the actions menu (where all your actions are listed) and click on the little triangle pointing downwards button at top right of the screen. It will open a list of choices like "New action, new set, ....". Click on "New action". Then you get to name your action, and then you do the steps (copy layer, USM1, USM2, fade, USM3 fade) then you stop recording, and voila, you have your own action.

I hope you can make sense of that explanation :)

Scapeshots

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

09/14/2007 02:16:27 PM · #14

Does anyone know what the steps are for the Luko sharpening using Corel PSP XI or X2?

09/14/2007 02:23:54 PM · #15

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by Brad:
Well crap - I've been using this sharpening method for a long time now, but on which challenges I don't know. Probably on most of 'em. I've also read that others use this method as well.
May as well just go back & DQ most of my entries in basic challenges for the last year or so for illegally sharpening them.

OK, have you been listing this in your editing steps?

I've been using the same method too, for quite a while, I'm sure many of us do. But not in basic.

Listing it in the editing steps? Rarely list any to begin with unless a validation is required, which is a rare thing.
Never thought about this method as being illegal - in my dumass brain, I was only sharpening - duh me.
Yank 'em all if need be. I won't be running that action in the future on basic editing.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

09/14/2007 02:24:18 PM · #16

I'm not sure you realize how serious this comment is. If your comment is true, then that's exactly what the SC should do.

edit: i'm a little late, you hadn't posted the above comment yet

Originally posted by Brad:

May as well just go back & DQ most of my entries in basic challenges for the last year or so for illegally sharpening them.

Message edited by author 2007-09-14 14:25:25.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/14/2007 02:33:16 PM · #17

Originally posted by hopper:

I'm not sure you realize how serious this comment is. If your comment is true, then that's exactly what the SC should do.

I know exactly how serious that was. A level playing field is paramount in my opinion.

I'm a big boy and can sit outside the fence and watch the challenges for however long if a ban is imposed.
At least I can sleep nights knowing I came clean on this mistake.

ETA: I just looked at the file creation date on the 4-Step USM sharpening action: Friday, November 17, 2006, 12:44:58 AM
How many were done with it? Who knows.

Message edited by author 2007-09-14 14:42:26.

citymars

Nikon D700

09/14/2007 02:36:03 PM · #18

Originally posted by Brad:

May as well just go back & DQ most of my entries in basic challenges for the last year or so for illegally sharpening them.

You may be a big boy, Brad, but I'm not -- I'd be upset on your behalf if this really happened. I'd rather see the latest offending entry re-qualified. Then clarify the rules (again).

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

09/14/2007 02:37:31 PM · #19

i respect your honesty

Originally posted by Brad:

Originally posted by hopper:
I'm not sure you realize how serious this comment is. If your comment is true, then that's exactly what the SC should do.

I know exactly how serious that was. A level playing field is paramount in my opinion.

I'm a big boy and can sit outside the fence and watch the challenges for however long if a ban is imposed.
At least I can sleep nights knowing I came clean on this mistake.

09/14/2007 02:44:37 PM · #20

OK, maybe I'm misreading this, but it seems to me that bringing up the use Luko in Basic (without realizing it was not allowed in Basic) and asking for their images to be now DQed is more to make a point about how stupid the Basic rules can be than to come clean.

I respect honesty and honest people. But I don't particularily think that using "honesty" to make a point is all that good of an idea. The point is made. It has been made before, many times. The Basic rules are pretty stupid sometime. However, it's pretty clear in them that using blending modes other than "normal" is not allowed. I doubt that very many people with a fair bit of post-processing experience would get all that confused about what that exactly means.

So, if someone knows which images have been illegally edited in Basic, send a ticket to SC, with specifics, and we'll go from there.

posthumous

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

09/14/2007 02:47:05 PM · #21

No, I think Brad is honestly concerned about breaking the basic rules, but I agree with ursula that the photos should be reported individually before they are DQ'd, and *not* by Brad. That *is* an even application of the rules, because that is what everyone's photos are subject to. Do you really think every photo out there would pass validation?

09/14/2007 02:52:37 PM · #22

Originally posted by posthumous:

No, I very much think that a lot of images would not pass validation, that a lot of stuff gets by. Just going by how many of the top scorers get DQed all the time, there's got to be a lot of unintentional and not so unintentional getting around the rules activity.

I agree that Brad is honestly concerned about breaking the rules. However, in this case I think it's being also used to make a point outside of his concern for breaking the rules. At least that's the way I read it.

If Brad is concerned about the rules, he should start by listing steps in his notes, so that people are actually able to see what he's doing, and we'll go from there. You're right, it should be reported by someone else, not Brad, but nobody can, because there are no notes, and without notes many things go unnoticed. And even with notes they do, because notes can be very selective. So the rules are pretty stupid at times, and I for one feel like an idiot implementing them at times, but that's what we have here, and that's what I try to work with.

09/14/2007 02:55:50 PM · #23

Originally posted by ursula:

Misread.
No hidden meanings.
I support the rules and firmly believe that without them, it's a free-for-all. I honestly have no idea how many times I've used it, nor will I ever, but I do know I use it often. Call all my basic edits from the date listed above null & void if need be. I honestly never gave it a second thought when using that action. I just hate sitting on knowledge that I've done wrong and watch someone else get nailed for doing what I've done.

Message edited by author 2007-09-14 14:57:27.