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09/11/2007 10:35:13 AM · #1 |
let's discuss about these new cameras ...
- D300 is awesome camera with great features but not everyone needs those features, this is where the price difference comes i think
- switching brands is hard decision especially if you have bunch of nice lenses (okay someone will always buy your used lenses)
- additional "gadgets" have also their price ... battery grip, transmitters, etc. right?
- what about A700? does it really have D300 sensor in ?
what do you think? me? i'll stay with my 350Diesel for a while but i waited for something like 40D which would make me happy ... but (there is always a "but" LOL) i should probably buy few lenses before changing the body ... anyways, thanks.
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09/11/2007 11:00:55 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by goc:
- D300 is awesome camera with great features but not everyone needs those features, this is where the price difference comes i think |
D300 looks to be a monster in the DX arena and you will be hard pressed to beat it.
Originally posted by goc:
- switching brands is hard decision especially if you have bunch of nice lenses (okay someone will always buy your used lenses) |
Yes if you have a bunch of expensive lenses you may want to stick with that brand and follow their up-grade path
Originally posted by goc:
- additional "gadgets" have also their price ... battery grip, transmitters, etc. right? |
Yes that is true but the A700 is one ugly camera and with the grip even more hideous...
Originally posted by goc:
- what about A700? does it really have D300 sensor in ? |
Hard to tell from all the rumor but I found this
Nikon Sensor:
CMOS sensor, 23.6 x 15.8 mm; total pixels: 13.1 million, effective 12.3 million;
Sony Sensor:
12.24 (effective) APS Exmorâ„¢ Sensor; 23.5 x 15.6 mm
Message edited by author 2007-09-11 11:02:04. |
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09/11/2007 11:03:07 AM · #3 |
From: Dpreview: Sony Alpha DSLR-A700 Hands-On Preview
" ... the 'Exmor' sensor puts the A700 in direct competition with Nikon's new D300."
Sony a700
Details of the sensor...
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09/11/2007 11:07:06 AM · #4 |
- The nikon is vaporware until you can actually own one, but yeah it looks good
- Anyone with good lenses would be nuts to switch brands for a new body
- The gadgets, at least for Canon, seem to come and go with the bodies
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09/11/2007 11:13:29 AM · #5 |
More on the sensor (and other details)...
From: dyxum.com: Sony Alpha 700 preview
" ... The "Exmor" sensor is a big step in sensor development for Sony and with an on chip column A/D conversion and dual noise cancelling processing, final results are supposed to be of very high quality. There should be a clean signal from the sensor to the newly developed Bioniz engine (noise is removed BEFORE the signal reaches imaging processor which means RAW data is affected by noise correction). ... "
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09/11/2007 11:51:34 AM · #6 |
Is price no object? If so you would not buy one of these three...
The Nikon is 50% more than the Canon...a large jump for most people, so the extra features really have to be worth it. I've moved from a 300D to 20 to 30 to now a 40D and the 40D focus system rocks and blows all previous bodies out of the water - but many folks won't pony up the $500 extra for a 30D/40D over a Rebel body, so why will they spend $500 more than that on a D300?
If you have invested in a 'system' you're not changing. I have 7 lenses and 3 bodies plus 3 flashes, all canon. I'm staying canon short of Nikon releasing a 1-1000 F1 lens with IS or a body that shoot at ISO 100,000 or something. And then everyone would want it so the line to get it would be months and months. As it is Nikon is WAY slow in getting gear to market - see the 18-200 VR lens. So the D300 is due when, November? Reality is it may be 6 months until more than a few folks can actually own one. That's a lot of lost opportunities to take pictures waiting on a camera.
As to the Sony, I don't know much about them. Never seen one of their cameras in person - in a store or a person's hands. They are much more a consumer oriented company in what they make/sell/market than Nikon or Canon. For a hobbyist they're tempting - a LOT of features for the money - BUT there is no free lunch, so what's the catch? The A100 didn't live up to the specs, so lets wait and see. And if you want a body and high-end (fast, long, etc) lenses then it's cheaper by far to go canon, or even nikon over sony. |
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09/11/2007 12:09:49 PM · #7 |
Here are my top features for the Canon 40D, which I've only had for three days...
- The 40D's grip is very comfortable for a larger camera (at least larger than my Pentax K100D).
- The 6.5 fps rate of the 40D is very impressive. It sounds similar to the 1D Mark II (that "machine gun" sound), but not quite a loud.
- The 3-inch LCD is to die for. Very clear and crisp. As for the LiveView--haven't used it and probably never will. If I do, it will be 1 in a few thousand shots.
As I use this beauty more and more, I'm sure I'll add to this list.
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09/11/2007 12:16:21 PM · #8 |
Just so's people can see how much better the new Nikon LCD is, DPReview has posted these full resolution examples.
From the D300
//a.img-dpreview.com/previews/NikonD300/Images/lcd_d300.jpg
From the 40D
//a.img-dpreview.com/previews/NikonD300/Images/lcd_40d.jpg
Actually, Sony looks like they have the same LCD.
Message edited by author 2007-09-11 12:18:47.
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09/11/2007 12:20:59 PM · #9 |
It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three. For my situation, assuming the camera in the flesh is as good as its specs, I'll be getting a D300. I have a set of Nikon lenses that I've spent the last two years assembling bit by bit, and I'm not ready to go through that again with another brand. I'm at the point now where the weak link in my setup is the body, so it's time to upgrade.
All things being equal, if I were starting from scratch, I might make a different decision. Or I might take up drawing instead. It's much cheaper. |
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09/11/2007 12:32:13 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by annpatt:
It would be hard to go wrong with any of the three. For my situation, assuming the camera in the flesh is as good as its specs, I'll be getting a D300. I have a set of Nikon lenses that I've spent the last two years assembling bit by bit, and I'm not ready to go through that again with another brand. I'm at the point now where the weak link in my setup is the body, so it's time to upgrade.
All things being equal, if I were starting from scratch, I might make a different decision. Or I might take up drawing instead. It's much cheaper. |
I think that Nikon has answered the "switch" questions at least for now. the D200 and D80 helped, but the D3 and D300 (and hopefully the D3x/h/whatever) will finally return them to top-shelf semi-pro and pro performance.
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09/11/2007 12:41:19 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think that Nikon has answered the "switch" questions at least for now. the D200 and D80 helped, but the D3 and D300 (and hopefully the D3x/h/whatever) will finally return them to top-shelf semi-pro and pro performance. |
Hear Hear! |
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09/11/2007 12:43:47 PM · #12 |
The Nikon and Sony are on about 930,000 pixels against the 40D on about 230,000. There is no question about the Nikon having a superior rear LCD.
In fact the D300 looks a fabulous camera all round, but it is still an extra £500 and I believe heavier than the 40D, so they are competing in different areas - it's almost like the two of them talk to each other and avoid anything too directly comparable : ) |
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09/11/2007 01:38:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
The Nikon and Sony are on about 930,000 pixels against the 40D on about 230,000. There is no question about the Nikon having a superior rear LCD.
In fact the D300 looks a fabulous camera all round, but it is still an extra £500 and I believe heavier than the 40D, so they are competing in different areas - it's almost like the two of them talk to each other and avoid anything too directly comparable : ) |
Actually, theres a little bit of fudging in the marketing there. The Delta arrays (current 40D, previous Nikon/Sony) only show 230,000 pixels yes, but they show all of the RGB scale per dot. Behind the array are the actual RGB "dots" that make up each pixel. Kind of like Bayer interpolation in reverse.
The "new" LCD's (actually old tech, but it's been shrunk) are RGB stripe array, meaning that all three RGB "dots" are out front and not behind the Delta array. So yeah, there's 900K "pixels" out front instead of behind an array, but each one can only represent one color of the R, G, or B.
In effect the screen is really only 640x480, meaning it is only 307,000 actual full RGB pixels. To contrast, the new ipod touch is only 480x320 at 3.5 inches instead of three, the 40D is 555x416. These are both some REALLY high quality screens here.
I think the main difference is thisis going to be a bit more hard to quantify. Because of the way the Delta arrays are set up, they had to share some of their pixel counterparts RGB "dots" in the background. I'm theorizing that this might have diminished previous LCD's ability to attain full brightness levels at 255x255x255 levels of RGB display. Hopefully, this is not only a finer dot-pitch display (though not as fine as the marketing would like you to think) but a BRIGHTER and better contrast display. One can hope, anyways. It would be nice to be able to trust the LCD and not always have to bring up the histogram.
Message edited by author 2007-09-11 13:38:25.
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09/11/2007 01:49:33 PM · #14 |
40D = real camera
D300 and A700 = still unrealized. :-)
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09/11/2007 01:55:38 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
40D = real camera
D300 and A700 = still unrealized. :-) |
Dude, this and the "vaporware" comment from earlier really annoy me.
Vaporware implies a design/product concept that hasn't even entered pre-release or final pre-production sample yet, and especially hasn't recieved a release/ship date.
People have held, used, and raved about the D300, and to some extent the a700 (maybe not the raved part on that). So it's not vaporware/unrealized, it just not out on shelves yet.
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09/11/2007 01:55:50 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
40D = real camera
D300 and A700 = still unrealized. :-) |
No kidding. I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas to arrive!!! :D
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09/11/2007 01:56:23 PM · #17 |
| What was the ship date for the 300 again? |
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09/11/2007 01:59:02 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
What was the ship date for the 300 again? |
November, dammit, Nikon and their frickin slow production lines.
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09/11/2007 02:00:35 PM · #19 |
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09/11/2007 02:03:32 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
What was the ship date for the 300 again? |
November, dammit, Nikon and their frickin slow production lines. |
Hey perfection takes time! :-D |
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09/11/2007 02:04:37 PM · #21 |
Oh how I love to torment Steve about his nee-kons.
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09/11/2007 02:07:03 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Oh how I love to torment Steve about his nee-kons. |
Dude, apparently it's Nick-ons. ::shudder:: Just sounds gross that way.
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09/11/2007 02:07:31 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
What was the ship date for the 300 again? |
November, dammit, Nikon and their frickin slow production lines. |
Hey perfection takes time! :-D |
So you're buying the D3 then? :P
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09/11/2007 02:08:58 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
What was the ship date for the 300 again? |
November, dammit, Nikon and their frickin slow production lines. |
Hey perfection takes time! :-D |
So you're buying the D3 then? :P |
Yes, Yes I am. I already have an envelope for the cash with D3 written on it. I told the little woman last night that I am saving for it. There is nothing in the envelope yet but its a start. :-P |
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09/11/2007 02:09:11 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
So you're buying the D3 then? :P |
Dude, I think he went out and got a D3 tattoo the other night... LOL
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