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07/19/2007 10:31:00 PM · #26 |
I used to get questioned and confronted a lot when out shooting people - my favorite subject. Because I was a bit uneasy about it, my body English was like a flashing Neon sign. I have found other ways to get the shots I want 1) without even having the camera to my eye, shooting from the hip, and 2) when I do have the camera up, I act like I am supposed to be there, doing it.
Yes, you will get confronted, especially when shooting children, and when I do, I thank the parents for their concern. If they ask me not to, I respect their wishes. If they, or law enforcement officials called over to find out what I was doing, I don't act like I have something to hide. I co-operate. I offer to show them any and all pictures on my card. I ask for email addresses to sent them copies.
I have more candid shots than anything else in my portfolio, Adults & Kids in both Black & White and Color, and capturing people, being people, with real expressions and emotions is where my passion lies. Just be prepared that you may be questioned. Be nice. Don't demand your rights. If a parent asks you to delete pictures of their kids, do so. Once word gets out that you aren't a threat, well it just makes everything go better in your own community.
I've recently crossed over a line that has been uncomfortable before, and that is simply going up to someone, complimenting them on their smile, their eyes, hair, etc, and asking if I can get a few shots candid style, and ask to get an email address so I can send them some. The "OK" replies are happening more often, and with each shoot, it gets easier.
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07/19/2007 10:35:39 PM · #27 |
Never had a bad experience shooting people, though maybe one close call saved by being in my car at the time.
I wouldn't take shots of kids I didn't know, for the same reason I wouldn't talk to them, be alone in a room with them, etc. Not worth it.
Littlegett your situation was an unfortunate one, but hardly an every day occurrence. Hopefully you get back out there and don't let it keep you down. |
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07/19/2007 10:40:57 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Never had a bad experience shooting people, though maybe one close call saved by being in my car at the time.
I wouldn't take shots of kids I didn't know, for the same reason I wouldn't talk to them, be alone in a room with them, etc. Not worth it.
Littlegett your situation was an unfortunate one, but hardly an every day occurrence. Hopefully you get back out there and don't let it keep you down. |
Usually... Shooting People.... is a bad experience for everyone involved LMAO. |
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07/19/2007 10:57:27 PM · #29 |
Its funny you said that Brad, "Simply going up to someone, complimenting them on their smile, their eyes, hair, etc, and asking if I can get a few shots"
I grew up as a traditional artist, and I would compliment people all the time, but instead of asking to photograph them, I would ask to draw them. Granted about 85% of the people thought it was some pick-up line, even the guys; that was until I showed them my drawing portfolio.
Some people would be flattered, or embarrassed, some accepted some declined but it was always courteous between parties. I suppose a big old burly guy with a drawing pad is less intimidating than one with a camera.
I have gone up to a few people as well and was able to take photos of them after a compliment and asking. However, you than lose your candid shot.
Im a nice guy, all people need to do, is come talk to me. Say Hi, ask what I was photographing in a nice way. If they ask for deletion, its done. If they say it is bothering them, I put the camera away or go to another area. It's no big deal to me. I havn't found that million dollar shot yet, and certainly havn't even found that one dollar shot yet.
What seriously ticks me off, are the people who take it upon themselves to police my actions. With all of my altercations it is these types of people. They don't come to me themselves, no, they have to get someone else involved. Than it turns into a show, with me being on trial.
I have always co-operated, and willingly displayed my images. Yet, these people still have beef and want something done. There was one instance, where a lady yelled at me saying I was photographing people illegally and she was watching me all day long. I said I was not doing anything wrong, thank you for your concern, and she walked away in a huff and I put my camera away. She then told the event staff, who than confronted me on the issue, 'camera still in bag', and than they called the police, who I could have hamstringed but I didn't. The questioning officer first said she wanted my film, and that would be that. I had no film, so she wanted my camera. I declined, but I offered to show her the images. She than stated that if there was one image of that ladies daughter on my camera that she was going to arrest me for inciting lurid elicit behavior with a minor or some bs. Yeah, that is illegal, (I shoulda, coulda but didn't do anything about that) Showed her the images, not a single image of the daughter. So the officer told the lady to leave the questioning area, but the lady wanted my camera taken from me and me arrested.
I don't need that kind of drama that deals with fighting all of that bs, so I dogged out and deleted the days worth of images. No photos no problem, and I later, I was found not a threat.
Later I found out that the reason They wouldn't let me go unless I deleted the images, is because (With the Kit Lens) I was taking pictures of peoples Butts and faces where visible. Now, I was standing behind a table (basically working the table) at this venue, in a stationary position, camera to eye and just snapping images up and down the run of people. Some asked what I was doing, and I stated just practicing, which was true, no one ever said it bothered them or asked anything besides the lady. I won't ever go back to that venue, not even without the camera.
Anyway, bottom line, know your laws, don't shoot foolishly, respect the people and co-operate with the 'law' enforcement people. Also, there is a fine line between the right to photograph something and the morality of photographing it.
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07/19/2007 11:00:52 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Littlegett your situation was an unfortunate one, but hardly an every day occurrence. Hopefully you get back out there and don't let it keep you down. |
Wish it was a single event, there has just been too many of those as of late. The extremely sad part of it, is I don't even get out of the house much, least not to places I can shoot candids. But seems within this past year, people have been more on edge than before.
When On the beach, I will photograph down the pier, the surfers, and volleyballers. Also, on the walks if there are large numbers of people. The people on the sand I mostly set off-limits.
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07/20/2007 11:58:35 AM · #31 |
| Brad - by asking them to take their picture, dont you lose some of hte quality and the naturalness of the shot? |
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07/20/2007 12:12:51 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Brad - by asking them to take their picture, dont you lose some of hte quality and the naturalness of the shot? |
You certainly do. I've found that if you let me them know you are going for a candid shot which I tell them is just "people being people" they'll relax a bit. If you tell them you are going to shoot for a few minutes they will soon even forget you are there. The first few shots will seem a little stiff but they'll loosen up a bit. I actually find that if you are photography a small group of people they will usually go back to talking or doing what they were doing and relax a lot easier.
As for the cases where people get hypersensitive? I haven't had that happen yet and I am really frightened about it happening...
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07/20/2007 01:38:15 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Brad - by asking them to take their picture, don't you lose some of the quality and the naturalness of the shot? |
Yes - sometimes.
Sometimes it's about wanting to capture a portrait.
Sometimes it's about wanting to capture a candid.
Here I asked, just because I wanted to capture this huge smile she had.
One click, wasn't the greatest, but still captured the way she looked and is how I remember seeing her.
Here I asked, as when I walked by her, I saw something special I wanted to preserve. She was working at a podium, at the entrance to a restaurant, as the hostess. I explained I wanted to capture some candids, and would be over there (pointing to a tree about 10 yards away), and to forget I was there. She was self-conscious at first, and I made it a point to pretend to be shooting some of the cars and such going by, making the focus less on her, but when she wasn't aware, then I snapped, some being less candid than others.
  
Very similar situation here. I complimented here on her great smile, asked, she agreed and then stood off to the side as she went about her work at the Nachos stand at the fair.
Capturing the spirit of human expression, priceless moments and emotive shots, most often can only be done candid, and nearly all of the shots in the 3 folders inside this collection (200+ shots) are true candids, and with only a few exceptions, they had no idea a shot had been taken.
Message edited by author 2007-07-20 13:49:35.
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07/21/2007 01:19:03 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Delta_6:
Anything for Australia? Some local Councils can be seriously obstreporous in regards to this, apparently Ken Duncan, famous landscape photographer, got kicked off Cottesloe beach once, not allowed
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Here is a link for Photographer's rights in NSW. I'm not aware of another one specific for WA.
You may also want to try to track down a copy of
Owen, Mark,
The Law and the Camera (with video) in Australia
Felicity Press, Islington NSW, 1997
ISBN 1875417003
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07/21/2007 02:19:43 AM · #35 |
heres some others for Canada
Candian Photo Laws
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07/21/2007 03:02:20 AM · #36 |
Funny you should mention this. I posted something similiar yesterday. here is the text I posted:
"I have seen a couple of postings recently - maybe not all that recently - concerning photography in public places. I am happy to report a pleasant outcome to one such encounter
A couple of weeks ago Bob_Bobski and I were out on the search for the perfect Candid shot and we ended up at Gunwharf Quays - a large retail outlet in Portsmouth. We were happily wasting pixels when we were confronted by security guards telling us we couldn't take pictures. At the time I was quite affronted but kept my cool. It was all very polite and everything but I told them that I would be taking it further. They even gave me a name to contact - so I did.
I am happy to announce to you all that a workable compromise has been reached. So it's Gunwharf Quays here I come - challenges permitting!
Having had time to reflect on the situation, I am actually quite glad that we were confronted. It is unfortunately a by-product of the times we live in that we must be vigilant for all sorts of reasons and it is comforting to see security in action.
Common sense a rare commodity, I am glad to report is alive, well and being used in Portsmouth!"
All it took was a couple of emails and we have a solution!
Message edited by author 2007-07-21 03:04:12. |
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09/07/2007 04:04:42 PM · #37 |
OK, I'm pretty clear on what you are allowed to shoot. But after it's shot am I correct in assuming you can't post or sell without a model release?
PS. Just found this site and very excited to get started. |
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09/07/2007 04:09:29 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
OK, I'm pretty clear on what you are allowed to shoot. But after it's shot am I correct in assuming you can't post or sell without a model release?
PS. Just found this site and very excited to get started. |
No longer true. I don't have the link, but a lawsuit was thrown out where a photog sold a candid portrait of a hasidic Jew in NY without a model release. I'm sure someone smart could link that up.
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 16:09:57.
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09/07/2007 04:11:24 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by boysetsfire:
just go out and do it, with respect for your subject and yourself. |
excellent advice, only other thing i can add, is to act like a
tourist, people expect tourists to take photos, or try get to a festival
of sorts. |
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09/07/2007 04:26:12 PM · #40 |
| And people wonder why so many contest entries are insects and house pets :p |
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09/07/2007 04:28:53 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
No longer true. I don't have the link, but a lawsuit was thrown out where a photog sold a candid portrait of a hasidic Jew in NY without a model release. I'm sure someone smart could link that up. |
//gabaybowler.com/blog/who-owns-the-copyright-in-a-photograph
Scroll down to response #2.
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09/07/2007 04:51:44 PM · #42 |
| I ask people if it's ok to take their photograph - if it's a picture of them. If I'm taking some sort of street scene then I don't bother. Plenty of people and even whole cultures (mostly non-European?) will react negatively though. If children are involved and you have no personal involvement with them, then the rule of thumb is to leave it out. |
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09/07/2007 05:16:23 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
No longer true. I don't have the link, but a lawsuit was thrown out where a photog sold a candid portrait of a hasidic Jew in NY without a model release. I'm sure someone smart could link that up. |
//gabaybowler.com/blog/who-owns-the-copyright-in-a-photograph
Scroll down to response #2. |
In case anyone wanted to check out the photo in question:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nussenzweig_v._DiCorcia |
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09/07/2007 05:37:08 PM · #44 |
From the Wiki articale:
"Nussenzweig has been given leave to appeal the case to New York's highest court, the Court of Appeals. Argument before the Court of Appeals is currently scheduled for October 2007."
Check back for more info in a few months :)
Message edited by author 2007-09-07 17:40:22. |
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