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09/06/2007 03:17:11 PM · #1 |
Got dq'd today. It is my first alittle confused. I don't see how I broke the rules all I did was change colors and I thought that was allowed in advanced editing. 
any clues out there????????
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09/06/2007 03:19:12 PM · #2 |
| hmmm, its definitely a contentious one.. I saw this during the challenge and whilst I thought it was out of the box, I can see how you did this within the ruleset. Would like to hear from an SC to see where the problem lies.. |
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09/06/2007 03:20:19 PM · #3 |
| Changing the colors of existing objects is allowed (selectively in Advanced). Creating new shapes is not. Sorry about the DQ! |
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09/06/2007 03:21:30 PM · #4 |
| so by creating a shape with color I broke the rules??? |
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09/06/2007 03:21:47 PM · #5 |
Can you clarify? Is it because the masked area is a rectangle?
Message edited by author 2007-09-06 15:21:57. |
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09/06/2007 03:24:34 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by electrolost:
so by creating a shape with color I broke the rules??? |
Yep. Relevant parts highlighted:
You may... apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process.
...saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry or any existing object within it.
The rectangle wasn't an existing shape, nor does it function as a border here IMO.
Message edited by author 2007-09-06 15:25:41. |
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09/06/2007 03:34:25 PM · #7 |
this tricked me
use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer̢۪s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.
the aside from color part because techinically all I did was remove color
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09/06/2007 03:46:22 PM · #8 |
The rule you quoted refers to cloning objects (basically, you can't clone out significant things). Color and crop are not considered in the context of changing a viewer's description, or merely converting to B&W would be a DQ. The rule that specifically addresses color is where you tripped:
You may ...saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry or any existing object within it.
:-( |
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09/07/2007 05:44:15 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by electrolost:
so by creating a shape with color I broke the rules??? |
Yep. Relevant parts highlighted:
You may... apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process.
...saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry or any existing object within it.
The rectangle wasn't an existing shape, nor does it function as a border here IMO. |
So what is the difference between these two images that makes one ok and one not?
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Seems a bit inconsistent to me, they are the exact same technique. I think it should be re-instated. |
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09/07/2007 05:47:11 AM · #10 |
^ excellent, looking forward to read answer !
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09/07/2007 05:52:01 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by goc:
^ excellent, looking forward to read answer ! |
yep, i was very astonished the red ribbon shot didn't get dq'ed for breaking exactly the same rule
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09/07/2007 05:52:09 AM · #12 |
hee hee.
You little tinker.
Good call. I think it should be reinstated looking at that, and that was a ribbon winner..
I think an apology is in order from SC. Still, I dont knock SC as they do a hell of a job, and sometimes these things happen.
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09/07/2007 07:17:27 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Simms:
hee hee.
You little tinker.
Good call. I think it should be reinstated looking at that, and that was a ribbon winner..
I think an apology is in order from SC. Still, I dont knock SC as they do a hell of a job, and sometimes these things happen. |
Let's not jump to conclusion - maybe ibkc's picture really did involve a painter painting in the colour to a picture...
At the end of the day, there will always be apparent inconsistencies because applying the rules is fundamentally subjective. I have said it before, but it would be so sensible for the SC to make it clear in the rules that they exercise their discretion and judgement to achieve a purpose - and set out what that purpose is in a bit more detail.
Pretending that the rules are objective only leads to unrealistic expectations on the part of participants.
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09/07/2007 07:43:48 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
So what is the difference between these two images that makes one ok and one not? |
Well let's just say that neither decision was unanimous, OK? Not a very satisfying answer, I know, but I think the painter got the benefit of the doubt because the challenge invited selectve desaturation. |
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09/07/2007 03:56:28 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by jdannels:
So what is the difference between these two images that makes one ok and one not? |
Well let's just say that neither decision was unanimous, OK? Not a very satisfying answer, I know, but I think the painter got the benefit of the doubt because the challenge invited selectve desaturation. |
I don't think the challenge should have anything to do with what is allowed in editing a photo. Usually when these decisions come up you will have examples from old rule sets or a different group of SC. This one seems to have everything consistent but the verdict. I made my case it still doesn't seem right but SC works hard for no love so no long drawn out arguments from me. Bummer for  electrolost, if I had a photo that I thought needed a similar edit I wouldn't have bothered to ask SC, since there was already a validated ribbon winning example to point to as a precedent.
Joe |
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