Leave away challenge descriptions

08/22/2007 07:14:22 AM · #26

the word countryside actually is broader than the word agriculture and pasture. it encompasses both of those and more.

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 07:14:35.

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08/22/2007 07:18:36 AM · #27

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:

the word countryside actually is broader than the word agriculture and pasture. it encompasses both of those and more.

Yep. But it wasn't a "Countryside" challenge.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

08/22/2007 07:21:24 AM · #28

Whilst you're arguing - go take a look at my Urban and see if it fit... I was quite torn as to which it was, and picked the Challenge Less Populated....

emlbaker

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08/22/2007 07:28:48 AM · #29

I would have to agree that rural can be very broad.

To me, living in Australia, rural is defined generally by cows, sheep and farms. As most people know, the Kangaroo is native to Australia, and found out in the bush (countryside), but if someone mentions rural, I do not think of Kangaroos. Cows and Sheep, farms, sheds, hay and windmills. That is what comes to mind when I think of rural.

As for the arguments that have started over this, count me out. Just putting forward another view of rural.

As with any competition, not just photographic, if it has a topic or subject that is required, you could expect to see almost anything as we often see here. There only needs to be the slightest element that lends itself towards the compeition requirements, then in it goes.

On another note, I have stated in the recent survey that I believe that some images might score better if the owners note/comment was viewable during the voting period, as the comments attached to an image often explain why the owner thought it met the challenge, and often explains the process taken to reach the final product.

Just the opinion of a member, who, while hopeful of a ribbon before passing, knows that he will continue to vote on images far beyond his own capabilities.

Keep the great shots coming. Keep the healthy (non personal) debates going.

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08/22/2007 07:29:03 AM · #30

Originally posted by Melethia:

Whilst you're arguing - go take a look at my Urban and see if it fit... I was quite torn as to which it was, and picked the Challenge Less Populated....

Fits much better in "Urban" than in "Rural" - you wouldn't expect so many powerlines in a rural area where little electric power is needed. Just my â�¬ 0.02 .

FireBird

08/22/2007 07:40:56 AM · #31

Originally posted by basssman7:

I am more concerned about someone who uses the same image (different frame number) in two challenges and gets two ribbons out of it. I used to think I had no morals, but I think that is morally wrong.

Don't get me wrong, incredible shot, and well deserving of ONE ribbon. Makes the whole dpc front page look like a farce.

Care to tell us which two images you're speaking of?????????

Node

Nikon D300

08/22/2007 07:41:20 AM · #32

Challenge Rural Landscapes
An Exclusive Open Challenge using the Basic Editing rules.

The Description
Of, relating to, or characteristic of the country.

Funny how the arguement here is weather or not a Photo met the challenge if it was not a Rural Landscape as that is only the title of the challenge.

The photo's where suppose to match the discription.

I didn't enter but I did vote on it and I had to go back and read the discription when I came across photo's that I didn't think met the challenge. Lucky I did because they did not have to be Rural they just needed to relate to or have the characteristic of the country.

I understand where eyewave is comming from though as I was really mad after the Wildlife Challenge some time ago when so many shots were taken at a zoo.

Personally I like the discription and think it should stay but I agree that sometimes the submitters and voters don't seem to care less.

albc28

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Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

08/22/2007 07:50:24 AM · #33

I think instead of arguing whether the top photos meet the challenge description of rural...eyewave, you should probably give your description of rural.

As of right now (not an attacking comment) your definition seems to be very narrow as if you expect to only see one type of photo in the challenge. I'm pretty sure many people in rural areas see deer running across their land or can look in the distance early in the morning and see deer (or elk).

From www.dictionary.com

Rural:

1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of the country, country life, or country people; rustic: rural tranquillity.[/b]
2. living in the country: the rural population.
3. of or pertaining to agriculture: rural economy.
â��noun 4. a person who lives in a rural area.

Then looked up country to further define rural......

Country(removed descriptions talking about nation or state):

5. rural districts, including farmland, parkland, and other sparsely populated areas, as opposed to cities or towns: Many city dwellers like to spend their vacations in the country.
6. any considerable territory demarcated by topographical conditions, by a distinctive population, etc.: mountainous country; the Amish country of Pennsylvania.
7. a tract of land considered apart from any geographical or political limits; region; district.
8. the public.
9. Law. the public at large, as represented by a jury.
10. country music.
â��adjective 11. of, from, or characteristic of the country; rural: a winding country road.
12. of, pertaining to, or associated with country music: That Nashville station plays country records all day long.
13. rude; unpolished; rustic: country manners.
14. of, from, or pertaining to a particular country [/i]

So I highlighted a couple of definitions...so please explain how the top 4 photos didn't meet this description based off the definition of rural (including the definition of country).

glad2badad

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08/22/2007 07:53:08 AM · #34

Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:
the word countryside actually is broader than the word agriculture and pasture. it encompasses both of those and more.

Yep. But it wasn't a "Countryside" challenge.

Unbelievable. Waah-waah-waah. For crying out loud, why all the hair splitting?! Geeesssh.

Anyone care for another Wildlife challenge? Uh-oh...stay away from the Zoo! Might get a shot that fools someone into thinking you were in the African plains somewhere. BTW - Anyone read the article on getting great photos at the Zoo in this months issue of Popular Photography Magazine? :)

Oh yeah, forgot to mention...a big congratulations to the winners of the Urban Landscapes II challenge - job well done! Sincerely.

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08/22/2007 07:56:55 AM · #35

People can be so anal...sheesh!

Rural = Not in the City
Urban = In the City

Now go shoot some pictures.

Message edited by author 2007-08-22 07:59:41.

codfish

Nikon D80

08/22/2007 08:06:16 AM · #36

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Care to tell us which two images you're speaking of?????????

It think he is refering to

The Place Where Romance Starts in Urban

and

Golden Gate's colorful night in the Free Study

Chinabun

Canon PowerShot SD990 IS

08/22/2007 08:10:24 AM · #37

have you noticed that guys scores???? he just keeps scoring better and better. he beat his personal best everytime.

Originally posted by codfish:

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Care to tell us which two images you're speaking of?????????

It think he is refering to

The Place Where Romance Starts in Urban

and

Golden Gate's colorful night in the Free Study

08/22/2007 08:12:19 AM · #38

Originally posted by basssman7:

You gotta be kidding????? What has this got to do with morals??? How is it immoral to submit a shot to the Free Study and another one from the same shoot into another challenge? Nothing against the rules and nothing "immoral" about that.

Jealousy and sour grapes...

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08/22/2007 08:41:28 AM · #39

Originally posted by doctornick:

Rural = Not in the City
Urban = In the City

Read the whole thread. What you say is exactly what I'm aiming for: shoot what the title of the challenge says, no need for further explanation.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/22/2007 08:47:43 AM · #40

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by yanko:
All three of the ribbon winners look rural to me. Most definitely not city life that's for sure.

This is what I have to ask myself, is anything that is not of city, automatically becomes rural?.
I think no. What about jungles. They are not of city true, but are they rural?. I think no.
To me, Alex's entry is more of jungle than of rural. Its jungle where I would see animals. In rural area, people do live, population density may not be very much.

Huh???? I don't see a jungle in any of those photos.

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08/22/2007 08:51:27 AM · #41

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by yanko:
All three of the ribbon winners look rural to me. Most definitely not city life that's for sure.

This is what I have to ask myself, is anything that is not of city, automatically becomes rural?.
I think no. What about jungles. They are not of city true, but are they rural?. I think no.
To me, Alex's entry is more of jungle than of rural. Its jungle where I would see animals. In rural area, people do live, population density may not be very much.

Huh???? I don't see a jungle in any of those photos.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/22/2007 08:51:41 AM · #42

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by AlexSaberi:
again. Rural means countryside.Animals do live in the countryside u know

Yes, in Nara (japan), we could see deers roaming around. But still when I see animals there are only two places come in mind, on jungle and zoo.

Well here in Texas I can walk outside not too far away from my home in the "Hill Country" and see deer, coyotes, rabbits, armadillos, turtles, roadrunners, etc all roaming around free. Last I check I didn't live in the jungle.

zxaar

08/22/2007 08:52:15 AM · #43

Originally posted by yanko:

Huh??? I do not see rural in blue ribboner, and I do not see landscape in red ribboner. Clearly our way of seeing things are different.

xianart

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08/22/2007 09:09:50 AM · #44

it's a game. for which the winner gets nothing but a virtual ribbon. it is important to play by the rules, but there are many more important things happening. perhaps abusing others for the sake of a game is not the best use of time?

art is subjective and imprecise. there will nver unanimity. a little pleasantness goes a long way.

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08/22/2007 09:20:40 AM · #45

Originally posted by albc28:

I think instead of arguing whether the top photos meet the challenge description of rural...eyewave, you should probably give your description of rural.

This is not about MY description of rural, I've looked it up before the challenge, too. The majority of submitters have included typical rural settings as fields, barns, corrals, roads, windmills etc. To me that's a statement about what is seen as "rural". Nevertheless the voters went more for stunning imagery rather than including the validity regarding the topic and description in their votes. Nothing wrong with that, but what happens when everyone submits anything? The images would only be compared by wow-factor and technicals.

When I joined DPC, I felt that it was somehow similar to the real world, where a client writes a briefing for a shot of a specific subject or situation or in a specific style. I loved to be pushed to fulfill that request within a short time and I learned a lot by trying that. Not just how to develop an original idea, but also lots about techniques, crops and colors and so on. Today, I feel robbed, not of ribbons, but of opportunity to showcase my abilities and of opportunity to compare myself with other/better photographers, because it we don't shoot after the same briefing.

If the "client" asked for a shot of a forest two years ago, you probably couldn't get him to buy it when there was a shiny new sportscar in the middle of the picture (exaggerating a bit), even if it was the car he always dreamt of. Or if he asked for a shot of the sportscar, you wouldn't have hidden it in the forest. If he wanted a shot of the whole car on a parking lot, you wouldn't have got away with a shot of the interior with people inside.Today, the client (aka the voters) seem to care less for what has been briefed.

If the voters want it that way, why narrow down the choice of subjects by supplying descriptions (briefing) in the first place...just one or two words would do.

WriteHeart

Canon EOS-40D

08/22/2007 09:29:29 AM · #46

I guess I don't really understand this thread. The blue ribbon has a very country feel too it. I have sat on my front porch and ate breakfast looking at a view like this many times.

What makes it not rural?