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08/25/2003 07:52:29 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Gekker:
My self-esteem is so high I can admit that I drive a minivan, and LOVE it! A Ford Windstar to be exact, rated safest in crash tests. So I can speed all I want, putting my family at extreme risk, knowing that if we crash, most likely we will walk away with only a few scratches! woohoo! |
I don't know if you are talking seriously or not... but in case you are, don't be so sure... I almost lost two of my three sons on a Ford Windstar four years ago, we were lucky to be 15 miles from the hospital, if it wasn't for that I don't want to think about the outcome, they were badly hurt. After the accident we got another Windstar but I never felt secure again... I now drive a Sable and love it! |
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08/25/2003 09:44:14 PM · #52 |
| You know that sick feeling that quickly turns to anger you get when you are just about ready to snap that Blue Ribbon winning photo of a great American landmark for a Challenge but then you hear someone yelling at you to stop and you see a security guard running toward you demanding that you explain yourself and then you spend the next 20 minuets trying not to loose your temper because you don't want to end up in jail but you KNOW you have the right as a free American to take that photo. (How̢۪s that for a run-on sentence?) You know that feeling? Well, that̢۪s the same feeling we SUV driving folks get when we hear people sounding like they want to tell us what we NEED in the way of transportation. Like I said before, to be Free you must allow others their Freedom. |
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08/25/2003 09:46:15 PM · #53 |
"...to be Free you must allow others their Freedom."
I wish more people understood that concept rc!!!
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08/25/2003 11:04:05 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by rcrawford:
...to be Free you must allow others their Freedom. |
I agree, and that is why I am NOT telling YOU what to drive, but rather making the observation that, due to marketing and other influences, many people are driving these vehicles under conditions in which it is not in the best interests of society and the environment at large.
You may have the RIGHT to fire up your SUV and drive it around the block until it runs out of gas, but that doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing to do.
No one here needs to justify their own individual use -- I'm sure most of the sensitive and sensible people here have good reasons for driving what/how they do. That doesn't mean that the number of these vehicles driving around en toto won't cause additional deaths and waste resources, just that you might not have to feel personally responsible.
Sacrificing a small personal advantage for the common good is the essential act of civilization. |
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08/26/2003 12:17:31 AM · #55 |
Not this day in age. It's all about me, me and me because I have the right to, so I will. And if something happens, well I'm not responsible. Whoever told me to, made a TV show or movie about it or made the product is. Now leave me alone, I have to go pickup my overweight kids from therapy in my SUV, on my way there I'll swing through McDonald's to get a few Big Macs, a tray of fries and a bucket of soda. Oh if you need to reach me I'll have my cellphone with me.
Message edited by author 2003-08-26 00:17:55. |
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08/26/2003 12:46:41 AM · #56 |
...which your going to use to call your lawyers to sue McDonald's for making your kids fat, your therapist for not making your kids fit, and the cell phone company for giving you a tumor! :)
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08/26/2003 09:45:37 AM · #57 |
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08/26/2003 12:56:33 PM · #58 |
A butter knife can kill someone if given to the right person. Should we ban those?
My sister was hit by a drunk driver and was told she would have been killed had she not been in her SUV (as opposed to a car). (both by medics and police). So, I don't know how someone can categorize "all" SUV owners/drivers. By the way, it gets better gas mileage than ALOT of cars.
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08/26/2003 06:38:43 PM · #59 |
I am driving mine only to deplete the world of gas and oil. The more gas I use the faster we have the alternatives being developed quicker. (C:
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08/26/2003 07:03:05 PM · #60 |
So what if I say sitting in my driveway right now are two large trucks, a midsized car and a compact car?
Everything has its use. There are definitely times I've felt safer in my Blazer then I have in my Alero. The hippies come out of the woodwork though.
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08/26/2003 09:06:53 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by xhoss:
80? I'd love to see your 2 1/2 ton 4x4 catch my new 03 "little Honda Accord" EX V6 :) |
OK, but I pick the track. How about //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=35192 Here. Oh by the way you cant see the Two water crossings on either side.
I cant believe this thread has been going on for 3+ days!
I hope you are all voting and commenting.
Accept it we drive diferently.
By the way here is what I drive
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=35194
and my canoe will beat you on my turf too!
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08/26/2003 10:20:24 PM · #62 |
:)
no way man - that track is all you! :)
my track is the highway - i love 4x4's, no problems with suv's - just as long as you get out of my way, yer too slow to keep up! :)
btw, if that's where you live it looks really cool.
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08/26/2003 10:35:08 PM · #63 |
Nope only live there 2 weeks of the year.
Oh and if you look at the actual pxals you will see that I drive a Ram 2500 V10. Yup V10. Oh and I always obey the speed limit. Except on the drag strip!! You got me at Lemans!
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08/26/2003 10:36:15 PM · #64 |
Oh, for you tree huggers( and yes I am one too). I take the bus to work.
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08/27/2003 12:52:50 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by jdw91479:
So what if I say sitting in my driveway right now are two large trucks, a midsized car and a compact car?
Everything has its use. There are definitely times I've felt safer in my Blazer then I have in my Alero. The hippies come out of the woodwork though. |
Exactly my point, though, if you can afford your own motor pool. Do you drive to the mall in the mid-size car or the large truck? It is people driving their SUV two blocks for a pack of cigarettes who I feel are using them inappropriately, not people towing their boat to a family outing.
Through 8/19/2003 
Message edited by author 2003-08-27 01:03:53. |
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08/27/2003 01:05:32 AM · #66 |
| My Century 3.1 L gives me 25 mpg city and 30 hwy ,also cost me 7000 $,nice size and took me 36 states and Canada! |
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08/27/2003 01:09:31 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jdw91479:
So what if I say sitting in my driveway right now are two large trucks, a midsized car and a compact car?
Everything has its use. There are definitely times I've felt safer in my Blazer then I have in my Alero. The hippies come out of the woodwork though. |
Exactly my point, though, if you can afford your own motor pool. Do you drive to the mall in the mid-size car or the large truck? It is people driving their SUV two blocks for a pack of cigarettes who I feel are using them inappropriately, not people towing their boat to a family outing.
Through 8/19/2003 |
The closest mall is an hour drive away (along w/ the closest McDonalds). So what I drive there really depends on what I plan on buying. If it won't fit in the car, we take the truck. The truck is mostly used on the weekends for the camper and the boat. |
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08/27/2003 02:54:29 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by jdw91479:
The closest mall is an hour drive away (along w/ the closest McDonalds). So what I drive there really depends on what I plan on buying. If it won't fit in the car, we take the truck. The truck is mostly used on the weekends for the camper and the boat. |
But see, that is sensible, taking the vehicle appropriate for the task at hand. And I don't think any true environmentalist would want you to make six trips in your hybrid to carry what you could manage in one truckload. Not my car.
Message edited by author 2003-08-27 02:54:58. |
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08/27/2003 03:19:30 AM · #69 |
Thread killer is here. Roar.
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08/27/2003 03:28:04 AM · #70 |
IMO, most environmentalists don't know what they're talking about. Look at the founder of Greenpeace. He left because he didn't like the way the organization wanted to go. He said it became to corporate, they didn't really have the environment as their main concern. Their main concern was stopping international trade. I heard him speak and he seemed like the most logical "environmentalist" I'd ever heard.
To use a local example (for me), the wildfires in Montana. There has been a lot of legislation passed to stop the logging industry. What most of the legislators don't understand is that logging helps the environment. The companies that cut down the trees recognize that if they don't take measures for new growth they'll be out of business quickly. If the forests that are now on fire were logged appropriately there wouldn't be as much fuel. I'm not talking about trees in general, but all the ground growth that keeps the fire fueled. It takes a lot of fire to start a living tree on fire. Now the state is shelling out millions of dollars to stop the fires (which they need to do). But, if they hadn't restricted logging as much, the fires never would have gotten to the point they are. Most loggers could be called "environmentalists." (I'm sure they really wouldn't like to be though, because of their view of environmentalists, who now seem more corporate then ever.)
I'm sure some people would read this and say "Cutting down the trees is wrong." I'm sure when they look out their window all they see is concrete. Thats what most the people that support the legislation also see. They're off somewhere else trying to make laws for an area they've never visited, or hardly ever spend time in.
Now I hope I don't sound like the stereotypical person from Montana that dislikes the government. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I do have a funny Unabomber story though if anyone wants to hear it.
Anyways, I went off on a tangent, and I'll probably get some nasty replies for it. Nice picture of the SUV.
Message edited by author 2003-08-27 03:31:21. |
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08/27/2003 03:52:22 AM · #71 |
I won't be nasty but the problem is not with "appropriate logging." It is about the fact that every time lumber companies are afforded cheap rights to public forests they consistently over-harvest to the detriment of people and the environment. Ask the unemployed salmon fishermen of Oregon whether the lumber companies have exhibited appropriate stewardship when given the opportunity.
Clearcut on Seven Devils Road 
NO industry* when unregulated or self-regulated, has ever operated to the long-term public good when short-term profits and the CEO's Mercedes payment were at stake.
*WARNING: Hyperbolic statement. Two exceptions I can think of are the Am. Dental Assoc. and Heinz Corporation.
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08/27/2003 02:30:30 PM · #72 |
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08/27/2003 03:18:29 PM · #73 |
| Then I suggest you DO NOT immediate ride one of THESE rollercoasters! |
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