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08/11/2007 09:27:22 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by cedew:
By the way, if you don't mind answering a couple questions:
In "Advanced Editing", it says "You may not create new features or obscure significant parts of your original capture." does that mean you cannot add bokeh in post? It seems like that falls under the obscuring significant parts bit.
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How do I edit my gear? I don't see a place editing it in my profile. |
1. If by "adding bokeh" you mean "blurring to out-of-focus", you can do that up to a point. If you completely obliterate all detail, you will get dinged. This image had the foreground figures selected, the selection inverted, and a little blur added to the BG. The effect is subtle, it was already OOF anyway but not as much OOF as i wanted.
If by "adding bokeh" you mean "adding those polygonal/circular OOF shapes that are properly called bokeh", then no you can't do that, that is adding an element.
2. You can edit anything in your profile under "preferences".
R.
Message edited by author 2007-08-11 21:28:01.
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08/11/2007 09:53:47 PM · #127 |
I see, I did mean to blur the bg, and not actually the correct sence of the word.
Here is a more specific example:
//i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/cedew/ricky2resize.jpg
//i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/cedew/ricky1resize.jpg
Would the modified copy fly? And thanks for the tip on the gear business, it's a little more accurate now.
Message edited by author 2007-08-11 21:56:34. |
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08/12/2007 12:41:30 AM · #128 |
That's some pretty substantial blurring. It's borderline, but I would probably vote to DQ. I'm just one vote, though.
Also as a side note, the edit on this one doesn't look very realistic. In the edited version, the man in the black hat is significantly more blurred than the other people further away than he is.
Perhaps a better edit might be a tighter crop on the left side?
Also, if you're thinking of signing up and entering these in a current challenge, you may want to remove them from your post -- many voters tend to value anonymity in the voting process and might 'ding' you in the voting if a photo that was posted to the forums later turns up in a challenge.
If this is just a hypothetical example, then no need to worry about it.
~Terry
~Terry
Message edited by author 2007-08-12 00:44:03.
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08/12/2007 01:29:30 AM · #129 |
The person in the foreground with more blur than the people behind, doesn't look correct. It is just an example, and not a photo worthy of any competition. So that was borderline, a good reference then.
At the risk of sounding snooty, I quit cropping photos a little while ago. Not that I wouldn't do it for something special. What I discovered is that you can take just about any poor photo and crop/rotate/selective color/b&w/vignette/hdr/whatever until you get something relatively decent. I am working on being the 95% photo/5% post guy as opposed to the 5% photo/95% post guy. It's a work in progress I confess. With all that said, here is a slightly modified quickie I did this evening...
//i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/cedew/peek.jpg
Hey that's a great tip that makes sense about the competitions.
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08/12/2007 01:37:16 AM · #130 |
Neat concept and I like it, but your shadows aren't matching in direction and throwing the believability off.
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08/12/2007 01:44:28 AM · #131 |
Originally posted by cedew:
At the risk of sounding snooty, I quit cropping photos a little while ago. ... What I discovered is that you can take just about any poor photo and crop/rotate/selective color/b&w/vignette/hdr/whatever until you get something relatively decent. |
Isn't that an ideal goal of photography? If you honestly believe that you're going to get the perfect composition, colour, exposure, etc. every time straight out of the camera, then you'd be not only snooty, but ignorant.
But I know you don't actually think that. |
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08/12/2007 01:50:13 AM · #132 |
Thanks fotoman, the shadows on things like this are always the hardest part, and most scrutinized. The human shadow is roughly going the same direction as the camera, but is about 15° off, thus ruining the believability of it. |
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08/12/2007 01:54:20 AM · #133 |
Yup, not much... and yes the hardest thing to get and what people will notice first. I notice it on Hollywood movies quite often.
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08/12/2007 02:09:08 AM · #134 |
For some people, all they care about is the end result. But, try to imagine handing over your cf card to a group of old pro photogs, and try to imagine their reaction. Would they shake their heads up and down, or side to side? It may seem like a silly hypothetical situation, but my point is in there somewhere...
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08/12/2007 02:11:17 AM · #135 |
Kind of like what my models always tell me. "You made me look so good in all these shots."
I just think, "you didn't see all the ones I made ya look bad in."
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08/12/2007 02:16:16 AM · #136 |
| lol too true. Some are just downright embarrassing. But, live and learn. |
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08/12/2007 02:26:32 AM · #137 |
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08/12/2007 03:01:21 AM · #138 |
For me, the shadow looks better but still some issues in the 2 areas shown here:
Lack of some shadow directly under the right heel and a dark outline on the left calf.
My two cents anyways. |
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08/12/2007 03:32:33 AM · #139 |
Good eye Art...
//i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/cedew/peek2resize.jpg
I suppose I should engage elsewhere for this, or at least throw a rant in here somewhere. Lets see...
Man I really hate people with good attention to detail, and little red arrows! Blast you Art! |
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08/12/2007 05:41:18 AM · #140 |
Originally posted by cedew:
BOO!!!
;) |
Who are you?.....just another nobody. apologies to nobody |
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08/12/2007 01:10:47 PM · #141 |
Ooohhhhh...reow. Feel like sparking it back up? Sure, I'm game! Well then, let's get started.
Apologize for what? Having an opinion that differs from your own? An apology would insinuate I think I was wrong. I'm not being wishy washy, and stand by my original post, paying is bogus. |
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08/12/2007 01:38:18 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cedew:
Alright guys, have your laugh, but I feel my rant is valid. Instead of spouting off random insults, why not address the issue? You've taken the time to reply, now say something worthwhile.
Congratulations to Mr. Rainmotorsports for having the only good reply. |
I'm sorry if I seemed flippant; that was just my gut reaction, and as it develops it was a valid enough one :-)
I am a veteran of community-driven sites online, and this is one of the best ones I have ever been a part of. The price is extremely fair for the value returned. The owners don't sit on their butts and rake in the money, they listen to the members and constantly make site improvements that benefit us all. The administration is very level-headed and easy to get along with. The structure (the competition structure, I mean) is very intricate and well set up. I've never seen the equal of this site, for what it does. I am well-satisfied. I have dabbled in other photography sites but remain rooted here, where I feel a real sense of purpose and community.
R. |
I agree. For fun I used the "wayback machine" and looked at DPC over the time since it was started. The improvements and feature extensions have been incrdible. Try it out, here's a link. Just enter www.dpchallenge.com in the appropriate field and choose a date to see how it looked, then. |
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08/12/2007 02:04:56 PM · #143 |
Just a quick reminder to all that the original discussion on this thread is 6 months old.
Also, if you wish to debate, debate on the merits of the argument without attacking the individuals involved. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
~Terry
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08/12/2007 02:32:10 PM · #144 |
I really don't mind the abuse, everyone needs an internet punching bag!
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08/12/2007 03:12:28 PM · #145 |
If you want to be a Internet punching bag, find another site.
It is not allowed here.
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08/12/2007 03:23:44 PM · #146 |
No I certainly do not. But, you wouldn't blame the person being punched would you? Nah, you would blame the one doing the punching.
Besides, club is keeping me in line. No need to toe step here. |
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08/12/2007 04:02:50 PM · #147 |
| It doesn't seem possible this thread could or should get back on topic - it ran its course weeks ago. Shoot it. Burn it. |
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08/12/2007 05:01:49 PM · #148 |
hey cedew -
I actually like your recent posts in this thread where you are showing (IMO) decent chops for both straight out of the camera work and good digital art skills as well, so I say stick to that stuff and not so much the trading barbs back and forth, which does get old.
As for your goal to be a 95% shooter/5% post, I say whatever works for you. That's old school and that works for some people.
I love digital post processing and love to see how far i can take a good image or how much I can rescue a bad image so I am probably a 40%/60% guy.
So whatever floats yer boat, ya know...
Dave
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08/13/2007 08:00:29 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by cedew:
I am making my first post a real winner because I am a little irritated there is nothing to do using a free account. I think you guys are being taken by paying for full membership. I pay a nameless host less than a hundred per year, it includes 200gb of storage, and 2tb of monthly transfer, I bet the stats here are not more than twice that. I wonder how much the owner makes off this site? This place should be community run, and should live off of donations. There is a serious market to create a site with similar structure, but operated by enthusiasts, allowing the legitimate use of the word "community". |
So to make things clear, DPC ROCKS!!!!Sorry its taken me so long to respond to this, but if you really want a cool site, check out Daily Awards. You can pay to be able to upload pics, and have people vote on them(like maybe 3 votes per month, if your lucky and know a few people already on it), and on top of that, the voting is for the most part rigged! Hah, you say. I am so convinced it is that I watched the names of the people who had the highest votes for 3 weeks every day. Guess what? Only 22 different names came up. Wow, thats alot of names, huh? Not when you consider there is 6 photos per day(count them, 6) that plaster the front page as highest votes. On top of that, towards the bottom, there are 42 other pics that also appear as category winners. 22 names doesn't sound like a lot now, does it? That's not all, just wait till you see how the voting scale works. Some peoples vote count for more than 1. So, for instance, if someone with a rating of 2 votes you an 8, and someone with a lot higher rating votes you a 5, guess what? Tough sh*&^&%% for you. Unless you are one of elite that has been on the site for a while, you will be made to feel like you suck at photography. Here's the kicker. If you want to help out a "friend", you can go to there profile, look at there pics and what category they are posted in, and then go vote it high, or low if it is a foe. That's what else is out there. Needless to say, I joined here instead(no brainer). This site is very fair, has many more options than the other site, and I feel has a lot more experienced people willing to help and give advice, not shoot you down. Also, DPC takes very unkindly to cheaters(very very unkindly), where as this is how DA lives on. As long as they keep the top dogs happy, they will stay online. So I say, join there, then you will know how poor other sites are compared to DPC. And noo matter what anyone else says, this is how I feel about DA. Nope, can't change my mind, not gonna happen. Sorry, but I had to add to this rant. I know personal attacks are not tolerated, but I hope this isn't considered personal, being it's a gripe or two, or three, about a sorry site. I tell you now, at first this site(DPC)is overwhelming, but once you sit back and read, look at the pics, check out user profiles, listen to people, you start to warm up, and one day, you will feel like your at home. Quick for some, longer for others, but this is a wonderful site, especially since you have the option to use it for free. No one here will not answer your questions because you are not a paying member. They will answer you the same. No question is too stupid, although some are sillier than others. I have been a registered user for about 8 months, and now am a paying member. I sat back and watched, participated, read the forums, liked the way concerns were handled, and decided this is the best site for me. Could have still had it for free, but I felt the need for more, which you get as a member. You won't regret it.
Message edited by author 2007-08-13 20:32:04. |
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08/13/2007 11:07:46 PM · #150 |
I'm embarrassed to say...if I knew there was a buy/sell section, I would have payed 25 just for that. Everything else would have been a bonus. That fee pays for itself with just one transaction. |
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