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 08/06/2007 01:23:23 PM · #51
Boooo.....BOOOOOO......Boooooo....(throws empty can at monitor)....BOOOOO!

Just practicing.
 08/06/2007 01:29:57 PM · #52
LOL I should probably practice that myself.

Originally posted by pawdrix:
Boooo.....BOOOOOO......Boooooo....(throws empty can at monitor)....BOOOOO!

Just practicing.
08/06/2007 01:59:13 PM · #53
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I think the fact that the guy is a notorious prick is what really makes this whole thing run. Nobody seems to like him. The Sportswriters have a profound dislike for the guy. If he were at least a decent person, I think things would be a little different.

Like Ty Cobb? If election to the Hall of Fame was dependent on the players' character or demeanor, you could probably house the thing in a large closet. But mostly I agree with you -- he acts like a jerk whether or not he's on steroids.

Incidentally, on the "He never gets hurt ..." comment -- Bonds was out almost all of the year recently, and routinely plays only two out of every three games at most.

Mostly I think he's stupid for not moving to the AL years ago -- as a DH (think short porch in Yankee Stadium) he'd probably have 800 or 900 HR by now. And what does it say of his character that even Steinbrenner has steered clear of him ...
 08/06/2007 02:00:40 PM · #54
Put on hold... come on. This investigation should actually be an investigation. How can they not prove it, they don't want to. They knew what Balco was up to and they know Bonds was involved w/ Balco. This "investigation" is complete bullshit.

I only have 1 question for Bonds... If you are not on steroids, I just want to know what workout regiment you do to make your head larger.

F*&$ Bonds, I hope he breaks his leg coming out of the batters box on his first walk tonight. I don't usually wish misfortune on anyone, but he deserves it. He has ruined American baseball. I don't trust any record that is being set. To me, Roger Maris still has the single season HR record. F$%* Mcgwire and Sosa while we're at it.

I am a yankee fan and I think Arod probably juices too. Honestly how can anyone tell who is legit anymore?

My solution is testing every Sunday. They test everyone who was in teh lineup that week. If you test positive immediate lifetime ban and you need to leave the clubhouse w/in 24 hours. No pension, contract is torn up, no payout for remaining years, nothing. As an added measure, any World Series ring should be returned. If I really had my way, their name would be erased from baseball for good. No records kept, nothing. There would be no record that they ever played MLB.

It wouldn't be that hard to institute weekly testing. Baseball is the most money making venture in professional sports, every team could afford it.

Steroid use is doing more damage to teh game than anything in the past such as the 1919 WOrld Series or Pete Rose's gambling.
 08/06/2007 02:08:42 PM · #55
I said he never gets hurt. That is obviously not entirely true. What I meant is that he doesn't get fatigued or minor injuries like everyone else.

I don't know who said it, but the quote is, "you can play hurt, you can't play injured."

Bonds did get injured, but he never gets hurt. the long season doesn't seem to have any effect on him for day to day pain. Outside of being seriously injured, he seems to play April fresh all year. That is a known effect of steroids. I think it makes more of a difference on pitchers than on Bonds, but in a game like baseball, every advantage helps.
 08/06/2007 02:14:36 PM · #56
Maybe a reminder that "steroids" are a specific class of hormones, and are only one of the "performance-enhancing substances" with which we should be concerned.

But sometimes that line can be drawn too arbitrarily -- for example, Olympians who get DQd for taking their prescription asthma medications ...

Also a reminder that "back in the day" of "pure" baseball, the most popular drugs were amphetamines ("greenies" and "bennies" or Benzedrine®) and alcohol (RIP Micky Mantle) ... I think it was Ferguson Jenkins who told of pitching his no-hitter while still tripping from the LSD he'd dropped the night before, and Bill "Spaceman" Lee (author of The Wrong Stuff) who sprinkled pot on his Wheaties ... ah, yes, the good old days ... ;-)
 08/06/2007 02:20:00 PM · #57
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
What I meant is that he doesn't get fatigued or minor injuries like everyone else ... the long season doesn't seem to have any effect on him for day to day pain. Outside of being seriously injured, he seems to play April fresh all year.

The record doesn't support your position. As I said, he sits out one game out of three or more, all the time. It's a surprise (to the broadcasters, anyway) when he in the lineup for a day game after a night game. I think your "full-time regular" ought to be playing a minimum five or six out of seven ...
 08/06/2007 02:21:28 PM · #58
i remember the day Hank hit the record breaker,we were playing baseball in the backyard and my friends dad called us in to watch as Hank came to bat,was one of the most historical sporting events id ever seen to date,i hope Barry,s wearing bullet-proof underoos when he breaks the record(from the death-threats he,s gettin),and i guarantee there wont be any fans running the bases with barry either...i bet Hammerin Hank did it WITHOUT dopes of ANY kind! i just want the steroid era to be over so we and future baseball generations can enjoy the game without this type of headline tainting the sport. anybody know the size comparisons of the two sluggers dopey and Hank? bet its surprizing!
08/06/2007 02:23:06 PM · #59
I don't follow sports much like I used to years ago. I'm curious as to steroids - what's the status of testing for their use in other professional sports? I know there's been big scandals in the biking community and the Olympics are tough. What about the NBA, NFL, and NHL? Do they test for steroids and if so, what's the penalty for getting caught?

I'm asking because I'm curious if MLB is that poorly run and outside the mainstream of other professional sports - or are the complaints against MLB being made even though they're following similar rules of the other professional leagues.
 08/06/2007 02:26:48 PM · #60
The other major sports have somewhat more stringent testing programs than MLB.
 08/06/2007 02:27:32 PM · #61
What about the other leagues?

As for the NFL I think it was the Cleveland Browns who just supsended a player for Steroid use about a week ago. I will see if I can find a link to the story.

edit to add link

Message edited by author 2007-08-06 14:30:56.
 08/06/2007 02:28:44 PM · #62
BTW: It's not entirely unfair -- the pitcher who gave up HR 755 to Bonds had previously (while in the SD minor league system) been suspended for ... using steroids.
 08/06/2007 02:44:41 PM · #63
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The other major sports have somewhat more stringent testing programs than MLB.

So why is the MLB so wimpy then in dealing with this? Is the player's union that much stronger than the other leagues? The owner's worried about the short term loss of $$$ if they toughen up?
 08/06/2007 02:44:44 PM · #64
Yeah, Bonds definitely looks and moves like a 43 year old man now to an extent. There is no way he could play every game. Whoever said he doesnt have injuries, look at him the guy has like 3 different braces on. The god damn bionic man up there.

I think the inconsitency in Bonds' stats are also a sign of the game now a days. Strategies change - pitching to or pitching around. Pitchers get stronger, so it increases the distance on a hit ball (I think science says that.)

And also - my head size changes too. Want me to mail you my piss for you test it? Cause Ill do it.
 08/06/2007 02:45:29 PM · #65
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The other major sports have somewhat more stringent testing programs than MLB.

So why is the MLB so wimpy then in dealing with this? Is the player's union that much stronger than the other leagues? The owner's worried about the short term loss of $$$ if they toughen up?


The MLB players union is the strongest union in sports.
 08/06/2007 02:48:26 PM · #66
In the good old days they did use their drugs, but how can alcohol or weed or amphetamines be considered performance enhancing drugs. I really don't mind if they use anything like that. Steroids just gives the players an unfair edge. If Bonds wants to mainline heroin in the dugout, I say fine. I don't think he would be tallying up the HRs that way.

The game has changed a lot since the old days. Who knows how some of the old guys would do against todays pitching. Remember back then Spring Training was the first workout since the last season. Now professional athletes are working 24/7.

I guess the injury argument is more for pitchers who if they use steroids they can benefit from teh 5 man rotation a lot more than if they weren't using. They would be more fresh for their start as teh season starts taking its toll on players arms and bodies.

08/06/2007 02:51:40 PM · #67
I'd say mandatory and frequent random drug tests with zero tolerance for performance enhancing drugs. They get paid millions to play a game, can we not expect them to stay clean as well? Anyone that refuses the drug test can go play in Japan (unless they do testing?)

Not that I want to wish harm on him, but I truly hope the side effects and damage done to his body by anything he may or may not have taken make it difficult if not impossible for him to enjoy the second half of his life. And I hope he gets huge man boobs!

And, rather then waste 4 pitches to walk him, why not just hit him with one pitch? He stands close enough to the plate, it would almost be a strike! Sorry, missed that high inside corner, again... Or, his head is so huge, how could I not hit it?
 08/06/2007 02:56:15 PM · #68
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
The game has changed a lot since the old days. Who knows how some of the old guys would do against todays pitching.

Someone asked Mickey Mantle how much he thought he could make in today's hyper-inflated baseball marketplace.

"Oh, about $600,000," he replied.

The interviewer was shocked -- "You were one of the greatest power-hitters of all time, why do you think you'd make so little?"

"Well," Mantle drawled, "You have to remember I'm 60 years old."
 08/06/2007 02:56:19 PM · #69
Ajdelaware,

Good point about the bionic arm. That is another reason he hits the amount he does. they allow him to wear all the protection on his inside elbow. This completely takes away the inside corner from teh pitcher. If they try to pitch him inside he takes it off the armor and get his base. The umpires also give warnings to both teams after someone gets HBP. This is crap. In the old days, Bonds would be pulling pitches out of his ear if he got on the plate like he does. Now if tehy hit him they get warned and he now owns the plate for the rest of his at bats.

If they took away his armor, I think the 95MPH fastball off the elbow would be a deterent to get off teh plate a little.

It makes a huge differnce when pitching to someone like Bonds if you can only throw over the center and outside portion of the plate. It makes even more of a difference when the batter is juiced up and everyhting he hits has potential to leave the park.

I doubt your head size changed like that, and please don't send your pee test.
 08/06/2007 02:59:52 PM · #70
I also read the armor acts as a mechanical arm restricting motion and balancing his arm to make a sweet swing. Plus the weight of it gets added to the bat in the F=M*A equation.

If it's legal and works, not sure why more don't use it? Maybe it's too heavy for non-steroid juiced people?
08/06/2007 03:00:02 PM · #71
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
Ajdelaware,

Good point about the bionic arm. That is another reason he hits the amount he does. they allow him to wear all the protection on his inside elbow. This completely takes away the inside corner from teh pitcher. If they try to pitch him inside he takes it off the armor and get his base. The umpires also give warnings to both teams after someone gets HBP. This is crap. In the old days, Bonds would be pulling pitches out of his ear if he got on the plate like he does.

I can't decide if my fantasy matchup would be Bonds vs Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale ... he might be pulling the ball out of his other ear ...
 08/06/2007 03:23:43 PM · #72
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Like Ty Cobb? If election to the Hall of Fame was dependent on the players' character or demeanor, you could probably house the thing in a large closet. But mostly I agree with you -- he acts like a jerk whether or not he's on steroids.


Yep, like Ty Cobb but I didn't relate it to his Hall of Fame bid but to what's partially fueling this nation wide discussion and why people are booing him, all over the place. Not to mention the brutal media onslaught.

If he was a decent guy the flames would be somewhat tempered.
 08/06/2007 03:59:34 PM · #73
At least Ty Cobb never cheated. He isn't winning any sportmanship award, but he played harder than most and was quite the asshole. He would intimidate, fight and slide into people, but all within the rules of the game. As much of a disgusting person as he was, he is arguably one of the greatest players ever. I would take him over Barry Bonds anyday of the week. At least he played hard and gave everything he had.
 08/06/2007 04:45:36 PM · #74
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
At least Ty Cobb never cheated.


well, he used to sharpen his cleats and tear guys legs up when he slid into a base. I don't think he would have held the Stolen Base record until the 80's if it weren't for that. I wouldn't exactly call that fair play.

Message edited by author 2007-08-06 16:46:17.
 08/06/2007 05:24:31 PM · #75
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:
At least Ty Cobb never cheated.


well, he used to sharpen his cleats and tear guys legs up when he slid into a base. I don't think he would have held the Stolen Base record until the 80's if it weren't for that. I wouldn't exactly call that fair play.


I donno. Intimidation has always been a part of the game. Those defenders gave him a little extra space just out of fear. Just like some pitchers are intentionally wild and force batters away from the plate a little.

R.
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