I guess it was DQ'd - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/22/2003 08:46:27 AM · #28

Not without a DSLR you won't. ;)

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jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

08/22/2003 08:52:34 AM · #29

I meant to get a picture and post it here as my own..

My jokes are wasted on this board heheee

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

08/22/2003 08:53:36 AM · #30

Originally posted by Konador:

Also, pay careful attention to the rules regarding spot editing. (None allowed!) This includes dodge and burn, cloning, etc.

Yup I am the rule master, I have read them all twice today!

Just to be sure...

wewillexplore

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/22/2003 08:57:05 AM · #31

ROFL

Hey, I've practically done that - I just reshot a corbis shot. It did horribly. lol

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Ten13

Sony DSC-F717

08/22/2003 11:35:39 AM · #32

Still a great photo. I'm new to the site and it did take me a bit to realize that the photos submitted have to be within the contest dates. I read the rules too, they're just different from other photo sites in that way, so I guess I didn't really understand. After a few times to the site, it dawned on me and I read the rules again. Duhh. I haven't submitted any photos yet for the contests, but plan to. I can see where Jon and others may have looked over that rule... God luck in your future submissions.

Kali

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

08/22/2003 11:49:42 AM · #33

Originally posted by jonpink:

Would like to know how many users save 2 copies of each picture they take.

Me. I always, always save the orginal as is and have seperate folders for artwork and web pix. Not cuz I'm scared of being dq'd, I just like to have the orginal. Sorry about your ribbon loss...
Aloha!

Message edited by author 2003-08-22 11:51:58.

glimpses

Sony DSC-F707

08/22/2003 12:04:36 PM · #34

My congrats go to the judges who rather quickly DQ'd the pic.

It would have been a shame to have a photo in 1st place which clearly did not respect the rules.

It was a very positive sign.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

08/22/2003 12:13:34 PM · #35

It was an error on his part, does't seem to me like he meant to do it at all. But live and learn, right?

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

08/22/2003 12:40:55 PM · #36

My exif data tells me: when my shot was taken, imported, and when it was modified. I do work on a mac tho. Is this to say that others exif data is not display simarlarly? That is to say even if I work on my original, my data is still sufficient.... i hope : )

sagestudio

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

08/22/2003 12:45:38 PM · #37

I work on a Mac too, Ellamay, and although the EXIF data still shows original data (it is also universal across platforms), it will also show that a shot has been modified. I ALWAYS save the original, sometimes I make changes that I'd like to reverse, not just because I might get DQ requests (which I have by-the-way).

faidoi

Pentax K10D

08/22/2003 12:46:57 PM · #38

It's best to work on a copy. You never know if you need the original again. Mistakes happen once in awhile.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

08/22/2003 01:00:47 PM · #39

Why is it problematic if the exif data has been showed to be modified? (providing the challenge allows for changes). I have not yet been requested to send in exif data and now I am a little confused on what would be excepted, thanks for any clarification you can provide.

Message edited by author 2003-08-22 13:01:41.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

08/22/2003 01:27:05 PM · #40

Originally posted by ellamay:

I think the issue was that the EXIF data is not preserved at all if you save on top of the original. It's not a question of editing the EXIF.

The main reason for not saving over the original (jpeg images only) is that you lose detail every time you save. The reason for this is as follows. When you open a jpeg file the software program uncompresses the file. When you save, the software reapplies the compression algorithm to the uncompressed data. This reapplication will never be applied the same way twice, hence the need to never edit the original jpeg file.

Even if you don't submit to sites that may require the submission of the EXIF data you should keep the original untouched. This allows you to start a new editing flow anytime as well as review the camera settings in case you want to try the same technique again.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

08/22/2003 01:32:25 PM · #41

Disqualification. (Official DP rules)

"If the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph. This original photograph must contain valid, unaltered EXIF data. If you are unable to produce your original photo under these circumstances, your photograph will be disqualified."

I read the rules about 3-4 times before I submit a picture just in case.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/22/2003 02:03:11 PM · #42

Thanks for the responses, I can always 'revert to the original' in my post processing, yet I realize some quality would be lost due to changes. I think the way I have been doing it is safe, but I really appreciate the clarity.

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

08/22/2003 02:05:23 PM · #43

You should always keep an unaltered original if entering DPChallenge. Saving the changes to the same file, may keep some exif data but this will not help you if your editing comes into question, as there is no proof as to what your original photo looked like.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/22/2003 02:52:59 PM · #44

Originally posted by ellamay:

If you use Apple's iPhoto, which I suspect you do, the original is always saved by default. When you 'Revert to original', no quality is compromised, since any editing you did only effected copies. The original file remains what it was, an original. In other words, 'you' do not have to save the original, iPhoto does it for you, in the background, unless, of course, you deliberately trash it. ;-)

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

08/22/2003 06:22:25 PM · #45

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a very important reason to save the original - if you want to print a photo later, a file with maximum dimensions of 640x640 will never do for decent quality.

ScottK

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/22/2003 09:03:19 PM · #46

Originally posted by ellamay:

My exif data tells me: when my shot was taken, imported, and when it was modified. I do work on a mac tho.

It's a software issue, not a mac vs. pc thing. (Unless, I suppose, all graphics software ever written for macs save exif data - I assume not.) Many older or lower-end windows graphics apps aren't exif-aware, so when they save your changes (whether over the old file, or as a new file), the exif data is lost. In photoshop 7, even if you save over your original file, it saves the exif data (I think I've read 6 didn't save exif). Neat image is also a problem-child - by default it saves its output to a new file name, but still doesn't save the exif data. There is a windows free-ware (well, postcard-ware) program called exifer that will backup the exif data, then re-attach it to the file later.

Though, like Ben said, just having the exif data isn't everything.

I always make two copies of every file straight out of the camera, and make one copy read-only. That copy eventually gets saved out to a CD.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

08/22/2003 09:03:26 PM · #47

Yes, always work on a copy . So you can go back later if you have problems. Or even new technics you learn.