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07/22/2007 01:13:39 PM · #1

Hey guys, I had a 20D before and was thinking of buying a 30D. I looked also at the 400D which has a 10.2 mega pixel. I'm not sure if 30D would be the best buy or would the 400D be better. Any thoughts?

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

07/22/2007 01:16:31 PM · #2

I'd say neither unless you're in a hurry.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

07/22/2007 01:22:19 PM · #3

Thanks TechnoShroom, do you have one that you would suggest?

marbo

Nikon D5000

07/22/2007 01:42:23 PM · #4

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

07/22/2007 01:54:41 PM · #5

Is the 40D out? if not is there a timeline?

MattO

Nikon D4

07/22/2007 01:57:35 PM · #6

Originally posted by SnapperL:

What are you going to be using the camera for? Alot of what you are going to get recommended should be based on what your going to use it for. IMHO MP means nothing unless your doing billboards(and even then its not really that important. The main features of the camera itself is what should be important.

MattO

fotomann_forever

07/22/2007 01:58:47 PM · #7

Niether the 20D or 400D would offer you much of an upgrade. You'd be better off waiting for the 40D or saving a bit more and going with a 5D.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

07/22/2007 02:01:11 PM · #8

Originally posted by SnapperL:

Is the 40D out? if not is there a timeline?

The 30D was announced in Feb., 2006. If Canon holds to an 18-month product cycle, there could be an update as early as September of this year. All depends on whether they see the need, based on competition in that segment of the market. If you are not in a big hurry, it might not hurt to wait and see what announcements are made in the August/September timeframe.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

07/22/2007 02:02:01 PM · #9

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Niether the 20D or 400D would offer you much of an upgrade. You'd be better off waiting for the 40D or saving a bit more and going with a 5D.

Yup. Wait for the 40D. The 30D isn't going to afford you much of an upgrade over what you have now and the 400D would be a downgrade.

fotomann_forever

07/22/2007 02:02:55 PM · #10

Originally posted by MattO:

IMHO MP means nothing unless your doing billboards(and even then its not really that important.

MPs are probably less important in printing billboards than they are for art prints. Here's the real catch. Anything over about 6 MP is better than 35mm film.

Just took a look at SnapperL's profile. Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 is the only lens listed. Personally, I'd skip any sort of camera body upgrade and start looking at glass.

MattO

Nikon D4

07/22/2007 02:06:10 PM · #11

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by MattO:
IMHO MP means nothing unless your doing billboards(and even then its not really that important.

MPs are probably less important in printing billboards than they are for art prints. Here's the real catch. Anything over about 6 MP is better than 35mm film.

Just took a look at SnapperL's profile. Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 is the only lens listed. Personally, I'd skip any sort of camera body upgrade and start looking at glass.

The original post also says "I had a 20D" I take that to mean that nothing is there now to replace or add a lens too.

MattO

07/22/2007 02:07:32 PM · #12

hey, thanks for all the advice. I had more lenses, but all was stolen down in Naples. I'm in belgium now and am finally ready to buy another camera. Thanks for all the advice....

fotomann_forever

07/22/2007 02:08:56 PM · #13

Ohhh, ok... I didn't read close enough. Sorry.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

07/22/2007 02:37:30 PM · #14

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Ohhh, ok... I didn't read close enough. Sorry.

Yeah, I missed "had" as well.

Having said that though I'd probably still wait.

07/22/2007 03:19:19 PM · #15

Originally posted by SnapperL:

hey, thanks for all the advice. I had more lenses, but all was stolen down in Naples. I'm in belgium now and am finally ready to buy another camera. Thanks for all the advice....

Sorry to hear that...is insurance covering the loss? If you can wait, I would. If you'd like more glass, get the 400D you won't be disappointed with it. It's just smaller and more plasticy. If you loved your 20D and don't want more glass, either look for a used 20D or get a 30D.

ragamuffingirl

Sony Alpha NEX-5N

07/22/2007 06:37:12 PM · #16

Has anybody heard anything about what kind of specs the 40D will have?

I had been thinking about the 400D as a back up body. It's more affordable than another 30D. It's smaller and lighter, which is also attractive. With a lens and a flash on it, my 30D gets kind of heavy. But, then, I was fiddling with a 400D on Friday, and I don't know if this is what they call the burst rate..... but my 30D locks into focus and fires so much faster than the 400D that it's not even funny. So, now, I'm thinking about waiting for the 40D to come out.

07/22/2007 06:39:43 PM · #17

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:

Were both the 30D and 400D using the same lens for this test? They shouldn't (theoretically) have any difference in focus speed other than the lens since they use the same focus sensor.

ragamuffingirl

Sony Alpha NEX-5N

07/23/2007 11:51:41 AM · #18

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Has anybody heard anything about what kind of specs the 40D will have?

I had been thinking about the 400D as a back up body. It's more affordable than another 30D. It's smaller and lighter, which is also attractive. With a lens and a flash on it, my 30D gets kind of heavy. But, then, I was fiddling with a 400D on Friday, and I don't know if this is what they call the burst rate..... but my 30D locks into focus and fires so much faster than the 400D that it's not even funny. So, now, I'm thinking about waiting for the 40D to come out.

Were both the 30D and 400D using the same lens for this test? They shouldn't (theoretically) have any difference in focus speed other than the lens since they use the same focus sensor.

Yep, I made a point of putting my lens on the Rebel for this test.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

07/23/2007 12:07:14 PM · #19

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Were both the 30D and 400D using the same lens for this test? They shouldn't (theoretically) have any difference in focus speed other than the lens since they use the same focus sensor.

They may have the same sensor, but the speed of the AF system will depend on a lot of other things as well.

ragamuffingirl

Sony Alpha NEX-5N

07/23/2007 02:52:54 PM · #20

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Were both the 30D and 400D using the same lens for this test? They shouldn't (theoretically) have any difference in focus speed other than the lens since they use the same focus sensor.

They may have the same sensor, but the speed of the AF system will depend on a lot of other things as well.

That's what the owner of the camera shop told me that one of the reasons for buying a 30D instead of the Rebel is the faster focusing/firing.

07/23/2007 02:55:13 PM · #21

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

What other reasons are there? Not that I'm doubting you, I'm just curious.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

07/23/2007 03:16:28 PM · #22

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Were both the 30D and 400D using the same lens for this test? They shouldn't (theoretically) have any difference in focus speed other than the lens since they use the same focus sensor.

They may have the same sensor, but the speed of the AF system will depend on a lot of other things as well.

What other reasons are there? Not that I'm doubting you, I'm just curious.

The sensor is just one piece of the AF system. There is a whole little computer system collecting and processing the sensor data, then making decisions based on the analysis of that data and then controlling the AF sub system in the lens.

One, some or all of those little pieces of the AF system could slow the AF process down.