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08/17/2003 02:34:08 AM · #26 |
This is great. I have been waiting for Sony to come out with another camera. This might be the one I purchase next, unless Jacko and Clubjuggle convince me otherwise.
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08/17/2003 07:19:24 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by matt betea:
It will be interesting to see how the new sensor runs. I'm still hoping we might see a DSLR from Sony though. Figure they have the pro video arena covered, move onto the still world now. |
Could you please explain me what the advantage of a DSLR would be? The only thing I can think of is changable lenses.
Message edited by author 2003-08-17 07:20:21.
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08/17/2003 08:48:24 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Damitriel:
Originally posted by matt betea:
It will be interesting to see how the new sensor runs. I'm still hoping we might see a DSLR from Sony though. Figure they have the pro video arena covered, move onto the still world now. |
Could you please explain me what the advantage of a DSLR would be? The only thing I can think of is changable lenses. |
Isnt that a whole lot?
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08/17/2003 10:53:22 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Originally posted by Damitriel:
Originally posted by matt betea:
It will be interesting to see how the new sensor runs. I'm still hoping we might see a DSLR from Sony though. Figure they have the pro video arena covered, move onto the still world now. |
Could you please explain me what the advantage of a DSLR would be? The only thing I can think of is changable lenses. |
Isnt that a whole lot? |
'Tis a whole lot. But certainly not the whole enchilada. Another thing is sensor size. the 828 will have a "2/3 inch" sensor that is 8.8mm x 6.6mm, compared to DSLR which has sensor size ranging from 22.7mm x 15.1mm (Canon 10D, D60) to full-frame 35mm (36mmx24mm), e.g. Canon 1Ds.
See this link for a good discussion of sensor size:
//www.dpreview.com/news/0210/02100402sensorsizes.asp
This results in a pixel pitch of only 2.7µm for the 828, vs. 7-9µm for the DSLR cameras. The DSLRs, then, have 8-9x the sensor area per pixel, and this results in lower-noise images.
The through-the-lens optical viewfinder on SLRs also makes it much easier to preview DOF vs. an LCD panel or EVF.
Autofocus is another area of difference. DSLRs can usually lock focus much faster, and can hold focus on a moving subject.
There are many other differences. Typically DSLRs still have performance advantages in speed and flexibility, though the gap is narrowing. The advantage is not always to the SLR either.
The 828 will be a great camera, it will up the ante considerably. Kudos to Sony for including CF compatibility.
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08/18/2003 06:43:16 AM · #30 |
| The only difference I see between a SLR and a normal camera is still the mirror. I am sure there will be non SLR camera's with larger sensors. The problem with dust on the ccd is 1 of the reasons for me no to choose dslr. |
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08/18/2003 07:01:31 AM · #31 |
Free back rubs for a year. Beat that Mr Sony.
Originally posted by Sonifo:
This is great. I have been waiting for Sony to come out with another camera. This might be the one I purchase next, unless Jacko and Clubjuggle convince me otherwise. |
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08/18/2003 08:10:17 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Damitriel:
The only difference I see between a SLR and a normal camera is still the mirror. I am sure there will be non SLR camera's with larger sensors. The problem with dust on the ccd is 1 of the reasons for me no to choose dslr. |
I own the Sony F505V, which was the predecessor to the 700 series that you have. I now own a Canon D60 DSLR.
Basically I was exceeding the capabilities of the Sony with the photography I was trying to produce. Having F8 as a minimum aperture was killing my macro shots depth of field. My DSLR macro lens can stop down to F32. The bulb feature is nice too on a DSLR for long exposures at night or when stopping down the lens.
Canon uses a CMOS sensor instead of the Sony CCD. One advantage of the CMOS sensor is its low power consumption. A DSLR, also provides a flash sync for studio strobes. Shutter speeds on DSLRs can go faster also. The Canon trips at 1/4000 sec, great for stop action.
I havent had any dust problems with the D60 yet either. There is definately alot of differences and advantages to owning a DSLR. These are just a few off the top of my head, since most were mentioned in the above post.
The new Sony looks good, not everyone wants/needs a DSLR. For me the choice came because I felt I exceeded my Sonys capabilities for what I wanted to do. I was used to shooting a 35mm film cameras for many years. So the progression to the DSLR was pretty painless.
Im sure the new Sony is going to be a great camera. I know I enjoyed mine.
Message edited by author 2003-08-18 08:11:30.
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08/18/2003 10:01:52 AM · #33 |
Actually....
F8 for digicams usually have greater DOF than DSLR's at F16! (The aperature number is NOT relevant to compare between different formats) And past that aperature, DSLR suffers from diffraction (which is why digicams don't have anything beyond F8, diffraction softens the image) which softens the images. You may get greater DOF at F32, but the images will suffer as a consequence due to diffraction limits.
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Originally posted by Damitriel:
The only difference I see between a SLR and a normal camera is still the mirror. I am sure there will be non SLR camera's with larger sensors. The problem with dust on the ccd is 1 of the reasons for me no to choose dslr. |
I own the Sony F505V, which was the predecessor to the 700 series that you have. I now own a Canon D60 DSLR.
Basically I was exceeding the capabilities of the Sony with the photography I was trying to produce. Having F8 as a minimum aperture was killing my macro shots depth of field. My DSLR macro lens can stop down to F32. The bulb feature is nice too on a DSLR for long exposures at night or when stopping down the lens.
Canon uses a CMOS sensor instead of the Sony CCD. One advantage of the CMOS sensor is its low power consumption. A DSLR, also provides a flash sync for studio strobes. Shutter speeds on DSLRs can go faster also. The Canon trips at 1/4000 sec, great for stop action.
I havent had any dust problems with the D60 yet either. There is definately alot of differences and advantages to owning a DSLR. These are just a few off the top of my head, since most were mentioned in the above post.
The new Sony looks good, not everyone wants/needs a DSLR. For me the choice came because I felt I exceeded my Sonys capabilities for what I wanted to do. I was used to shooting a 35mm film cameras for many years. So the progression to the DSLR was pretty painless.
Im sure the new Sony is going to be a great camera. I know I enjoyed mine. |
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08/18/2003 10:49:17 AM · #34 |
Aperture is still aperture, though. It's just a ratio. DOF is different, but the amount of light that's let in is still the same at F8 whether it's a Canon Elph or a Mamiya 6x7. This provides limitations.
The problem I have with my F717 is indirectly related to this. For portraits in bright light, I simply can't use wide apertures due to overexposure. Sony provides a nice wide aperture, but not the shutter speed to deal with all the light. The 1/1000th shutter speed limit isn't fast enough to use F/2.4 at 190mm (equiv.) in midday sunlight in order to get some decent background blur. I'd need to go to a neutral density filter to effectively stop down some more without actually stopping down and broadening the already marginally acceptable DOF. With a 10D and the 50mm I could stop down to F/5.6 and 1/4000th and still get less DOF than the F717 wide open. From an optics standopint it's much superior to use middle apertures, which is something I do rarely with my F717.
The 10D is better in dim light AND in bright light...which is why I'll be making my purchase soon.
James.
Originally posted by paganini:
Actually....
F8 for digicams usually have greater DOF than DSLR's at F16! (The aperature number is NOT relevant to compare between different formats) And past that aperature, DSLR suffers from diffraction (which is why digicams don't have anything beyond F8, diffraction softens the image) which softens the images. You may get greater DOF at F32, but the images will suffer as a consequence due to diffraction limits. |
Message edited by author 2003-08-18 10:56:25. |
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08/18/2003 11:10:14 AM · #35 |
I understand Pag, about the diffraction issue. I suffered more with the Sony at F8 then my pictures do with my Tamron 90mm macro lens stopped down. The pros definately outweigh the cons. Thats just been my experience from shooting with both the Sony and the Canon.
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08/18/2003 11:28:26 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
Free back rubs for a year. Beat that Mr Sony.
Originally posted by Sonifo:
This is great. I have been waiting for Sony to come out with another camera. This might be the one I purchase next, unless Jacko and Clubjuggle convince me otherwise. |
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I am convinced! :-)
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08/18/2003 11:41:47 AM · #37 |
| It really does look like Sony is adding things people have been wanting. There are of course the minor things (like more pre-programmed white balance settings, one more shutter speed stop down, USB HiSpeed, ISO 800) added since my F707 (some were added in the 717). But they actually broke down and put a CF card slot ont it, according to DPreview. I'll bet they shed a few tears over that decision, finally realizing they'll never corner the storage market with Memory Stick. |
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08/19/2003 10:13:49 PM · #38 |
Aiieee! And i just bought a F717 too. Oh well, the F828 is too much camera for me anyway. ;)
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08/20/2003 10:45:19 PM · #39 |
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