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Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

08/16/2003 12:34:58 PM · #26

Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by blemt:
So just to check- no rotating or cropping are allowed either? Just the resize?

i rotated mine. if it gets DQ'd, so be it. some shots you just can't take without rotating your camera.

i don't consider rotating to be post-processing. it's akin to hanging a photo on a wall differently. cropping, however, is post-processing, so be sure to capture only what you want in the frame.

rob

Mine would have been better in portrait as well, but it isn't allowed. I think that any portrait shots should be immediately DQ'd without wasting a second. The challenge rules are 100% clear.

M

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

08/16/2003 12:58:16 PM · #27

This is the problem with this challenge. Many cameras have in-camera rotation and even camera orientation sensors. Some don't. Portrait shots can't be DQed. What's the difference between doing something inside the camera and outside the camera? None...grrr...

Canon EF 135mm f/2.0L USM

08/16/2003 01:13:38 PM · #28

Fine, so they can submit the original, un-Photoshopped from the in-cam rotation. Most in-cam rotation is for viewing, not for downloading. It doesn't change the original on most cameras.

(the difference is one of playing by the rules - if you can't do it, go elsewhere)

M

JC_Homola

Canon EOS-20D

08/16/2003 01:14:04 PM · #29

Seems to me the point of this challenge is to get us to use the camera to it's best advantage......... as is.

So if your looking at a shot that would be better in portrait, and can't do it in camera, then find a shot that doesn't need to be seen that way.

I'm having a challenging learning experience getting the shot I want w/ what is done with camera and no post adjustments.

I've probably learned more w/ this one challenge than the last 3 combined.

Thank you to DP for that opportunity.

cimarron98

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

08/16/2003 03:51:24 PM · #30

Resize includes crop or not?

scab-lab

Canon EOS-D60

08/16/2003 04:20:13 PM · #31

Dont forget, if your camera doesnt have an internal sepia filter, you can just screw on a real sepia filter to your lens. I have a cokin sepia filter that I used to use with my old 35mm film cam.

Cokin makes a new universal adapter to fit most digi cams. I dont see anything in the rules that prevents using a real filter.

Message edited by author 2003-08-16 16:20:43.

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

08/16/2003 05:00:25 PM · #32

Originally posted by cimarron98:

Resize includes crop or not?

Not.

M

Chiqui

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

08/16/2003 05:12:04 PM · #33

I am sure there will be so many B&W and sepia photos in the "past" challenge that people won't put in a DQ request for all of them. I know for sure that the Sony 707/717 and Olympus C-5050Z both do in-camera B&W and sepia shots. The Fuji S602 does B&W (not sure about sepia), and I guess a whole lot of other cameras also do the same. So I don't think worrying about DQ requests will be a big issue in this challenge.

Actually I would be interested in knowing how many cameras do in-camera B&W and sepia pics.

Minolta Dimage 7i does B&W and while in B&W mode, you use a series of filter effects that produce sepia pictures and other tones.

kyrielle

Nikon Coolpix 5400

08/16/2003 06:44:45 PM · #34

The Ricoh 5300 I use also does in-camera B&W and sepia toning. I'm not sure if I'll bother, since it's a very common feature and I get the impression anyone who can do it, will be, in an effort to get some kind of legal editing (ie, in-camera) on their shot.

Photographing things that "give a sense of times gone by" does not require producing them in black and white or sepia. If I find a shot that looks best in those modes, then I will use it, but I admit I'm actively looking for shots that will work in color, since the sepia/B&W seems a bit of a "gimmick" to make the photo feel older (rather than the subject of the photo convey a sense of the past). And I'd still use it in a heartbeat if I didn't get the impression that I would be one among many, mind. *wry grin*

rickhd13

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DL Aspherical IF Hyperzoom for Canon

08/16/2003 07:02:57 PM · #35

Olympus C4000Z does in camera BW & Sepia as well

ellamay

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

08/16/2003 07:25:53 PM · #36

the minolta 7i has internal b&w sadly, no sepia.

Shiiizzzam

Sony DSC-F707

08/16/2003 08:21:59 PM · #37

I'm pretty excited about this challenge. I did my photo today and think it turned out pretty good. We'll see. Good luck everyone :)

DennisF

Nikon D100

08/17/2003 12:47:35 AM · #38

jimmythefish,

muckpond and I are looking for a lesson. When you say you just use the green channel, what do you mean? Go to channel mixer? Click monochrome? Select green channel? then...?

Would appreciate some input, I love your black and white.

Dennis

Gringo

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

08/17/2003 02:42:46 AM · #39

Can we rotate the shot 90 degrees?

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

08/17/2003 04:38:37 AM · #40

This tutorial has been moved here so that the ungrateful bastards with dialup don't need to see it in this forum any more (please don't go look at it if you find it so offensive):

Channel Conversion for Black and White

Message edited by author 2003-08-17 12:08:51.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG for Canon

08/17/2003 08:02:23 AM · #41

Originally posted by Gringo:

Can we rotate the shot 90 degrees?

If you want to break the rules.

I don't mean to pick on you specifically Gringo, but this is a pretty clearly worded challenge. Do something on cam, shrink, submit. Anyone who asks "Can I use Capture One to do brightness, sharpness, curves?" Well yes, if you're a big fat cheater. "Can I rotate?" Is that in shrink, submit? No.

If it can be done in-cam, that seems legal to me. If it can't, no, you may not. Of course people seem happy to push the bounds of the rules anyways so we'll get "official" rulings on this once people submit portraits and others go around DQing them (I will submit my share of DQ requests I'm sure - I'm playing by the rules and I expect everyone else to).

M

Message edited by author 2003-08-17 08:04:59.

robsmith

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

08/17/2003 08:52:44 AM · #42

Why not put a link to the pictures in your portfolio instead of embedding them? Believe it or not there are people still using dial-up connections who don't welcome waiting for 8 pictures to download.

08/17/2003 08:59:28 AM · #43

If I'm trying to follow what he's saying, it's easier this way. *drags you dialup people to the back shed and beats you*

I think a photo site is EXACTLY the wrong place to keep images out of posts. I'm sorry if your connection doesn't handle it well, but I disagree that we should all be held back by dialup users.

Just my 2c and not meant to cause a fight, just present another viewpoint. I would have preferred thumbs myself because I would prefer the 'lesson' in its own thread, but still.

M

08/17/2003 09:04:30 AM · #44

I have to agree about not embedding photos into the forum. At least not excessively. I have cable and it really doesn't slow me down but it is very annoying when the number of photos in one persons post is excessive. If you are going to embed more than one photo per post why not link them and be considerate of those in dail up and those who really don't want to see 8 different aspects of the same photo.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

08/17/2003 12:45:01 PM · #45

Originally posted by jimmythefish:

You could clean the language up a little and not be so demeaning just cause some people didn't appreciate the excessive number of embedded photos doesn't give you the right to call anyone that!

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

08/17/2003 12:46:47 PM · #46

Complain away, I don't really care...I was specifically requested to explain my methodology by seveal people in the thread. I spent a good bit of time on that, the bandwidth of which amonts to about 5 regular DPC shots. Furthermore, you don't have to wait for the shots to load if you don't want to look at them.

A sliver of appreciation was all I could have hoped for, but instead all I get is complaint. Well, shove it. I'm not on the bleeding payroll around here and I certainly don't need the kind of ungrateful prattle that response posts contained. I'm certainly going to think twice before offering any friendly advice in the future.

Message edited by author 2003-08-17 13:09:16.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

08/17/2003 01:09:42 PM · #47

Originally posted by jimmythefish:

Complain away, I don't really care...

Its the degrading and demoralizing what you said! Are you a teenager? Or just trying to act like one? Come one clean up the post and stop trying to degrade someone who didn't appreciate so many embedded photos in one post. And least you could have done was titled your new thread EXCESSIVE EMBEDDING to warn anyone who didn't see your link in this thread!!!!

I thought it was excessive and I could understand why someone with dial up would complain. Even with cable it slowed me down too. It was EXCESSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

08/17/2003 01:15:46 PM · #48

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Its the degrading and demoralizing what you said! Are you a teenager? Or just trying to act like one?

What you just said was degrading and demoralizing to teenagers! Think before you press that 'Post' button!!!

08/17/2003 01:37:58 PM · #49

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Its the degrading and demoralizing what you said! Are you a teenager? Or just trying to act like one?

What you just said was degrading and demoralizing to teenagers! Think before you press that 'Post' button!!!

What I said is showing that his actions where the same as what a teenager would do. I am very offended by the word he used in his post. Just cause someone didn't like the excessive use of imbedded photos in his post doesn't give him the right to call anyone what he did!!!! A little consideration for fellow users of the site goes a long way.

If I did offend any teenagers I do appologize to them! Most of the youth on this site have more consideration and respect for fellow DPCers than others here. And calling someone a------- well look above is definately a lack of respect and very demeaning! Although I have come to expect nothing from this site anymore it is getting trashier by the day!

I had a few days off thought I could enjoy the site a little and LMAO I guess I was wrong! I get called a ------- simply for agreeing someone was excessive in posting photos in one post!!!!!!!!!! EIGHT is EXCESSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This isn't TV where Eight is Enough!