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06/25/2007 11:41:45 AM · #1 |
| I am curious whether anyone has opinions regarding a comparison of these 2 cameras (Phil Askey doesn't review the S5). My purposes would be general non-professional use and some studio (using my current lenses). |
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06/25/2007 11:55:08 AM · #2 |
I believe that the difference is more to do with dynamic range than anything. The S5 uses Fuji's special sensor which does an amazing job of treating highlights and is generally viewed as something of a wedding photographer's machine due to the high percentage of shots where delicate textures of white on white and white in lace and white in the sun.... well you get the picture...
The D200 is more of a general purpose cam. High frame rates, decent image quality that nobody could really knock, passable low-light performance (I believe Canon rules the roost here... 5D anyone?)...
The D200 also has very good on-board wireless flash control.
In a studio with flashes, you have the control over the lighting, so high dynamic range is something of a non-issue (if you know how to run you lights... I'm assuming you do by now as the D70 is just as capable in this area).
For the uses you state, I believe the D200 would be a better fit. |
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06/25/2007 12:13:00 PM · #3 |
| Thanks. My sites have been set on the D200 when I can justify it - But I was just discussing with my dad the nifty sensor stuff going on in the fuji â€Â¦ it seems like that could be something with a future. My understanding is that it's a bit like bracketing two exposures at once which seems like a great feature. |
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06/25/2007 12:54:24 PM · #4 |
Yes, it has a future, but is it going to be used in a large number of pictures? I don't think so.
Quite a bite can be done with the Dynamic range on current cameras, HDR processing is a part of CS3 as well.
If that sounds like too much work, maybe read up a bit on how to harness the dynamic range of the Fuji sensors. I understand that it's not necessarily simple and easy either. |
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06/25/2007 01:30:20 PM · #5 |
| Given you have a D70, what feature of the 200 are you particularly looking at?? |
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06/25/2007 01:40:44 PM · #6 |
Obviously I could benefit from resolution. But additionally, I like the fact that the SB 600 / 800 can be used at the highest shutter speed (1/8000) on the D200- the D70 can only shoot at 1/500 or slower. I also like the additional focus points and bracketing features (9step bracket as opposed to 3 step bracket on the D70). The D200 can shoot much quicker too.
What really made me want it was when my friend at Getty images sent me a stock photo application and it said they required pretty much a D200 or better to even think about accepting images.
Originally posted by johnmcboston:
Given you have a D70, what feature of the 200 are you particularly looking at?? |
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06/25/2007 02:34:17 PM · #7 |
I got a D200 just over a year now, and I am still trying to justify it to others. It was the best purchase I ever made. I don't really want to admit it in a public forum, but I am in love with my camera.
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06/25/2007 02:48:16 PM · #8 |
It's ok man, you see, when a man loves a camera, its perfectly natural to... well, you know, they teach this stuff in P.E.
Originally posted by TonyT:
I got a D200 just over a year now, and I am still trying to justify it to others. It was the best purchase I ever made. I don't really want to admit it in a public forum, but I am in love with my camera. |
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06/25/2007 03:01:23 PM · #9 |
| If you have pro tendencies, then a pro tool is what you need. Not necessary to justify why. It's simply a money-making tool. Subtract the emotion. |
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06/26/2007 01:08:02 AM · #10 |
i thought there was a trick for high speed sync with the D70...
Something like masking out the points or something...
i thought this was one of the reasons that it was so popular with heavy flash users. Instead of having the narrowed curtain, the D70 is supposed to use the CCD to control faster than X-Sync exposures...
Where did I read that?
Message edited by author 2007-06-26 01:09:34. |
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06/29/2007 02:21:30 AM · #11 |
I hope this may helps:
Nikon D200 SLR Digital Camera – has an average expert rating of 88 (based on 21 expert sources).
//www.smartratings.com/review/photography/digital_cameras/53
Fuji FinePix S5 Pro Digital Camera – has an average expert rating of 89 (based on 14 expert sources).
//www.smartratings.com/review/photography/digital_cameras/1028
There's not much difference between the two rating-wise, so a closer look at the reviews might help. Good luck.
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06/29/2007 02:34:41 AM · #12 |
from what I've read the S5 has the same flash performance as the D200 - not sure where I read it but I'm pretty sure that being the same body it treats the SB800/600 exactly the same. So the only question is if there is something physically different with the shutter mechanisim.
But for high speed flash nothing beats the D70. You can do the contact point masking trick if you want but I find the easiest thing to do is use an old non TTL flash. It even works if I use the cannon extention cord on with the sb800 which is really cool |
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06/29/2007 03:58:15 AM · #13 |
I'm using a Fuji S3, and I regularly use my wife's Nikon D80.
The Fuji colours are spectacular, and I love the wide dynamic range. I find that when I'm shooting with both cameras, I pretty much throw away all the Nikon photos even if they were good captures because they just don't stand up to the quality of the Fuji shots.
However, the Fuji RAW shots are enormous compared to the very well compressed Nikon RAW files, this is a big problem.
Also, the difference is resolution is pretty huge... the Fuji is basically a 6MP camera although it can give around 8MP worth of detail.
If I was to shoot sports, I'd have to throw the Fuji away, but for everything else I find it's definitely worth putting up with the Fuji idiosyncrasies. It can also save me loads of time in Photoshop, as the shots straight out of the camera have so much more impact.
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07/10/2007 10:40:19 AM · #14 |
I'm considering the Fuji S5 pro as a compliment to the D200 not a replacement, since I think I'm going reluctantly going to shooting weddings again. I see that Dpreview.com has finally posted their review. I think it is crap that they gave it their recommended instead of highly recommended cause of its buffer speed (and lower mega pixels). I think too much emphasis is put on speed, especially for a camera aimed at the portrait market and not for sports. Of course, I'm not the best judge of speed as I don't think I've put any camera I've owned in continuous mode more than once every other year or so.
Anyway, I was considering the S3pro, but didn't because of the lack of iTTL. Now throw in Ai support and the D200's ruggedness, wow. The only negative as I see it, is yet another battery.
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07/10/2007 11:13:45 AM · #15 |
I have 2 of the S3's and the only things that seem to be a bit of a catch for me is that I have to wait for it to process time exposures to the card. The full size RAW files are 35meg each, but since I never shoot RAW, that isn't a problem for me. I use a lot of older manual focus Nikon lenses, and TTL metering with them would be nice, but there are only a few times when I have missed a shot because of that.
The sensor performance is just awesome, and the built in film simulation and W/B settings make shooting difficult subjects a snap after I learned how to set everything to get what I want from different situations.
Have a look thru the S3 images on some of the member profiles.
Fuji pro repair service is excellent. I had to send one in after I let the white smoke out of it. Something actually smoked inside the camera. I bought the second one at that time, another S3 partly because I was already familiar with it, and partly becausse the S5 was just being released to market, and the price was lower on the S3.
The D 200 is a rugged anad classy camera too, Tough choice.
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07/10/2007 11:16:57 AM · #16 |
In my humble opinion the S5 Fujifilm is a great camera for what it is meant for.. wedding and portraiture photography. Fujifilm have brilliant colour rendition and the S5 finally nailed the biggest problem Fuji cameras had.. crap bodies.. now the D200 shell, fuji sensor and electronics make this a very good camera. there are a few bad points like SOME nikon lenses give bad vingeting and the thing is slow only 6MP, the nikon battery wont work with it, even in the D200 grip that fits perfectly onto it blah blah blah but the best thing is the picture quality and that is what we ALL want as photographers.. I am considering buying one WHEN/IF my 1975 Fender sells. Im still having a bit of greif with Nikon UK over my sensor scratch on my D200 but hopefully we can come to an arrangement soon then I will be fighting weather to buy the S5 Pro or the 70-200VR lens instead.
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07/10/2007 11:38:40 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
I'm considering the Fuji S5 pro as a compliment to the D200 not a replacement, since I think I'm going reluctantly going to shooting weddings again. I see that Dpreview.com has finally posted their review. I think it is crap that they gave it their recommended instead of highly recommended cause of its buffer speed (and lower mega pixels). |
I am not a megapixels slave (although my camera does have 12.8 of them) but 6mp really does not cut it in the marketplace today. 8mp is a minimum if you want to remain competitive, ideally 10mp, as much as it pains me to say it, I would choose a D200 over a S5pro any day of the week. The colour rendition is a so-so selling point becuase, lets face it, how often does the average photographer send a photo straight to print without a bit of tweaking in their RAW converter or Photoshop, let alone the pro photographer (mid to high is what this camera ia aimed at). The `Recommended` result, in my opinion, is very fair.
MAK, you and me both know that lens is top of your list, who are you trying to kid?!
Message edited by author 2007-07-10 11:39:33. |
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07/10/2007 12:54:58 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Simms:
MAK, you and me both know that lens is top of your list, who are you trying to kid?! |
Yeh the lens is top of the list but I wont be using it on a D70s (respect to D70s users here)
Im just a bit moody with Nikon right now over this scratch on my sensor issue. If they don't repair it under warranty and start treating me like a human being then I may just switch the whole lot so Im just grumpy for now. But... take NOTHING away from the fuji S5 I think it's a sweet machine and I always loved the Fujifilm colour even on the old S602z (that i still have)..
The only thing that is annoying is that they want a grand for it..
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07/10/2007 03:36:52 PM · #19 |
| ahhhhh, the s602z.. *gets all teary eyed* |
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