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 07/09/2007 11:12:13 AM · #1
I bought a car in delaware in April and my temporary tag ran out in the beginning of July. I got a letter form the dealership the week before my temp tag was to expire saying that they couldnt process my tags because i never got my car inspected in maryland, which is where i live.

So I made an appointment that day and sent the certificate to the dealership. Two weeks passed and I never received my tags. So i called them up and they said that the owner never turned in the title to them and that they would send me a new temp tag. This was 2 weeks ago.

I just called the dealership again today and they said that the owner still hasnt turned in the title and that the owner keeps saying she will drop it off but hasnt done so. I asked the dealership how was it legal for them to sell me a car when they knew they had no title and she said we just expected the owner to turn it in. What should I do? Could I be legally responsible for anything? I don't even know who I should ask about all this.
 07/09/2007 11:15:53 AM · #2
My head just exploded. But look at the up side...

During the purchase of that car, you got to spend quality time in the First State, and more then likely you had an even better time, cause you could feel an amazing aura of awesomness in the air, since odds are you bought the car on Cleveland Ave in Newark, and were 2 minutes from me.
 07/09/2007 11:17:49 AM · #3
I don't think anyone can sell a car if they don't have the title. If this was a chain dealership (Toyota, Ford, etc.), I'd be on the phone to their corporate office pronto!
 07/09/2007 11:18:57 AM · #4
If the lady cant find it the title, eventually they will just go to the DMV and request a new one.
 07/09/2007 11:20:01 AM · #5
I bought it at Winner Infinity Porsche. The lady that traded it in bought a Porsche. My car was the only non-infinity;porsche car on the lot.

Originally posted by scalvert:
I don't think anyone can sell a car if they don't have the title. If this was a chain dealership (Toyota, Ford, etc.), I'd be on the phone to their corporate office pronto!
07/09/2007 11:20:02 AM · #6
Please tell me this is not the Mustang!

Message edited by author 2007-07-09 11:20:09.
 07/09/2007 11:21:03 AM · #7
why yes, yes it is

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Please tell me this is not the Mustang!
07/09/2007 11:21:59 AM · #8
I agree. Call corporate office if it was from a new car dealership. But I would also give the Better Business Bureau a call as well. They can provide free information and would love to collect the metrics on a dealership that doesn't follow proper procedures...

Originally posted by scalvert:
I don't think anyone can sell a car if they don't have the title. If this was a chain dealership (Toyota, Ford, etc.), I'd be on the phone to their corporate office pronto!
07/09/2007 11:22:52 AM · #9
What are you doing for insurance in the meanwhile? How did you manage to insure a vehicle to which you have no title? This is a real potential can of worms. But yes, the dealer can (and shoot) go right to DMV and request duplicate title. Something is fishy here.

R.
 07/09/2007 11:23:33 AM · #10
what pisses me off the most is that i wanna refinance cause my bank is allowing 4.9%, and I got approved but they cant put it though since i have no title.

Originally posted by bassbone:
I agree. Call corporate office if it was from a new car dealership. But I would also give the Better Business Bureau a call as well. They can provide free information and would love to collect the metrics on a dealership that doesn't follow proper procedures...

Originally posted by scalvert:
I don't think anyone can sell a car if they don't have the title. If this was a chain dealership (Toyota, Ford, etc.), I'd be on the phone to their corporate office pronto!
07/09/2007 11:24:57 AM · #11
i added the car to my policy the same week i bought it. now i'm getting scared because i have a secret clearance and i dont want to get in trouble for this and lose my job.

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
What are you doing for insurance in the meanwhile? How did you manage to insure a vehicle to which you have no title? This is a real potential can of worms. But yes, the dealer can (and shoot) go right to DMV and request duplicate title. Something is fishy here.

R.
07/09/2007 11:30:07 AM · #12
i had the sqame problem, my title is still at the 'tax payer office" or whatever that's called because i never had the time to pick it up.
but basically yes they can sell the car, and they will issue a new title, and you 'll be given the tags, that's basically what happened to me i had to wait 3 month , i eventually threatened to sue, until they fixed everything
 07/09/2007 11:30:29 AM · #13
Are you kidding me??

You bought a car without a title??

Are you sure it's not stolen?

I'd be in their sales office asking WTF?

The very least they can do is give you a new temporary tag so you don't get popped for driving without a tag.

You might want to reconsider who you're doing business with, the whole thing sounds shady.
 07/09/2007 11:30:47 AM · #14
They never should have paid her for the car without having the title in hand. That's what dealer drafts are for. They made a BIG mistake there.

If I were the dealership, I would put a firm deadline on this. Say she has until such and such a date before she's turned over to collections or whatnot. Until they have a properly transfered title themselves, the lady they bought it from still legally owns the car and the longer this goes on the more convoluted it will become. Eventually the state will no longer be able to extend your temps and then guess who will be in the hot seat for driving an unregistered car without legal ownership? I'd say that's not worth it.

Walk into the dealership's office and sit down. Calmly suggest to the management that they should make a trip out to the woman's home to pick up the title themselves. Tell them you want to return it for a complete refund if this isn't resolved within a week. Casually mention you're considering your legal options with an attorney. You may be able to argue breach of contract to get out of your loan, if you have one. If they can't resolve it, then it's not worth the hassle. It's not the only car in the world.
07/09/2007 11:32:45 AM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
What are you doing for insurance in the meanwhile? How did you manage to insure a vehicle to which you have no title? This is a real potential can of worms. But yes, the dealer can (and shoot) go right to DMV and request duplicate title. Something is fishy here.

R.


They can get a duplicate title, but they'll still need to have the woman sign off on it, which still involves getting her to come in to the office or that they should take it to her, neither of which they seem willing to do for whatever reason. Heck, if she never got a clean title after she paid it off, the duplicate title may still show a bank lien, and then you need the bank AND the owner to sign off.
07/09/2007 12:40:56 PM · #16
Originally posted by Chinabun:
i added the car to my policy the same week i bought it. now i'm getting scared because i have a secret clearance and i dont want to get in trouble for this and lose my job.



This is starting to sound like a "24" episode.
 07/09/2007 01:21:51 PM · #17
As much as you might want the car.....I'd give them the option 1)Give you the car with the title. 2)Get a FULL refund.
 07/09/2007 01:27:12 PM · #18
My partner tells me about stuff like this every day (he works at a dealership). Too bad I can never really make out what he's talking about. When I do, I forget shortly thereafter. When I talk to him today, I'll mention this and see what he thinks. He'll be able to give you some pretty good pointers on what to say to who, when, and how.
 07/09/2007 01:28:52 PM · #19
Originally posted by Chinabun:
i added the car to my policy the same week i bought it. now i'm getting scared because i have a secret clearance and i dont want to get in trouble for this and lose my job.

First, I wouldn't worry about your job.

Second, I'd check the regs, because I wonder whether posting your security clearance on a Web site is allowed.
 07/09/2007 01:29:56 PM · #20
Not sure about laws in other states, But in Wisconsin. You are not allowed to have the car on your lot unless you have the title. This not only holds true to car dealerships but junk and salvage yards also.

You should ask the dealership to contact the DMV and straighten it out for you, They (DMV) can then issue you a new title. The thing is, The dealership will have to then fess up to selling the car without the title and they might get in trouble this could make them unwilling to work with you.




07/09/2007 01:29:58 PM · #21
Maybe you can get an Infinity G35 out of the whole deal lol.
 07/09/2007 01:41:18 PM · #22
it's not a problem to say i have one, i take security training all the time. i called the DMV in delaware cause i couldnt find the number for a corporate office and they said it is illegal for them to sell the car with no title.

Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
i added the car to my policy the same week i bought it. now i'm getting scared because i have a secret clearance and i dont want to get in trouble for this and lose my job.

First, I wouldn't worry about your job.

Second, I'd check the regs, because I wonder whether posting your security clearance on a Web site is allowed.


Message edited by author 2007-07-09 14:02:17.
 07/09/2007 02:18:34 PM · #23
You can't get in any trouble because you have a signed contract with the dealer. They are the ones that are responsible. If they can not get the title thing figured out, it is a breach in the contract and they are the ones that are going to get screwed. Of course that may mean that you will loose the car but you won't be financially responsible. I am surprised the loan company hasn't gotten wind of this, they are the ones without the collateral.

I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as they will continue to give you temp tags. Hey think of it like this, you are getting several months of free registration out of it :)
 07/09/2007 02:30:34 PM · #24
I called the loan company and they said the the dealer has 60 days to produce a title and that they are a month overdue. the whole thing isnt that much of a problem as long as i wont get in trouble :)

Originally posted by TJinGuy:
You can't get in any trouble because you have a signed contract with the dealer. They are the ones that are responsible. If they can not get the title thing figured out, it is a breach in the contract and they are the ones that are going to get screwed. Of course that may mean that you will loose the car but you won't be financially responsible. I am surprised the loan company hasn't gotten wind of this, they are the ones without the collateral.

I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as they will continue to give you temp tags. Hey think of it like this, you are getting several months of free registration out of it :)
07/09/2007 03:00:19 PM · #25
Actually, I believe the person most at risk is the woman who sold the car, because if she still has title, I believe she is responsible for it, even if you are driving it around. That might inspire her to get the paperwork to the dealer ...

In California, when you sell a car, you have to file a "certificate of non-responsibility" with the DMV to declare that it's no longer your car, even if the new owner fails to register it in a timely fashion.
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