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 06/26/2007 01:43:11 AM · #26
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Why do people feel compelled to announce how they will vote? Just vote. ...or don't. :/


I think it's to make the statement that you don't always know or take the time to look so you should give the benefit of the doubt or not vote at all.

Don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Hmmm, that sounds like trying to influence others votes.

If you choose not to vote on a particular image for whatever reason, good for you. If someone else chooses to vote a 1 because they can't find Waldo, good for them. If yet another person chooses to vote a 10 on a blatant portrait of Waldo himself, good for them. I wouldn't tell any of them (or you) that they should vote the way I do.

Sure you have the right to voice your opinion - I am just asking the question "What purpose does it serve to tell people how and why you are voting on a particular challenge?" Discussions about voting methods in general, fine. But in regards to a specific challenge seems no different than posting and discussing outtakes during a challenge. That has been deemed bad etiquette because of it's potential influence on the current voting.

Just my two cents on the issue anyway.
 06/26/2007 01:53:02 AM · #27
I think we should vote on "Where's Art ROFLMAO" instead :D

06/26/2007 11:00:44 AM · #28
Originally posted by Nobody:
I didn't interpret the challenge to mean that I should make it difficult to find the person. In fact, in mine, it's pretty straightforward. From comments received and a 5.3x score, I think I'm getting bashed for NOT making it hard.


I agree with you, Nobody, I looked at some of the winners from the previous challenge and the "interpretation" of "hidden" were very different from what this challenge's voters seem to be going for. A lot of the top rankers in the first Waldo challenge were pretty blantant!

I also chose to make mine a little more blatant, but with a bit of an artistic flare to it. Seems that voters are looking more for the ones that are well hidden. Mine is down around the 5.1x mark which is VERY disappointing because I quite like my photo! :( I was taking a very different approach to how I edited this one (within the rules of course) and I quite like the effect!

Someone got some aspirin? I'm going back in to find Waldo!
 06/26/2007 11:06:25 AM · #29
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Why do people feel compelled to announce how they will vote? Just vote. ...or don't. :/


Personally, Art.....I find it helpful to hear what criteria others are basing their votes on as it gives me insight as to how voters are thinking in different challenges so that I can make a call as to what I do or don't do with photos in future challenges! It seems to give us all some indication as a whole as to what pleases eyes and what doesn't.

Anything that's helpful in improving photography is of interest, don't you think? :)
 06/26/2007 11:46:24 AM · #30
I have better things to do than look for Waldo. If I were voting, I would give the benefit of the doubt that there's a person in there somewhere.
 06/26/2007 11:51:50 AM · #31
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.
 06/26/2007 11:52:27 AM · #32
Just don't confuse improving your photography with improving your scores Louellen. They are two completely different beasts when talking about these threads. The arguements contained in these threads are always about interperatation of the challenge topic, and usually the extreme points of view. They really doesn't do much to help your photography and only helps your score on the next challenge if the topic happens to be similar enough to make some sort of prediction.

These types of threads just won't do much to help you to improve your photography...look elsewhere for that!

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Why do people feel compelled to announce how they will vote? Just vote. ...or don't. :/


Personally, Art.....I find it helpful to hear what criteria others are basing their votes on as it gives me insight as to how voters are thinking in different challenges so that I can make a call as to what I do or don't do with photos in future challenges! It seems to give us all some indication as a whole as to what pleases eyes and what doesn't.

Anything that's helpful in improving photography is of interest, don't you think? :)


Message edited by author 2007-06-26 11:53:31.
 06/26/2007 11:53:39 AM · #33
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.


Crazy you are... does that really happens? first time I hear it.
 06/26/2007 11:55:35 AM · #34
Originally posted by Valdo:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.


Crazy you are... does that really happens? first time I hear it.


Just cause 99% of you break the voting rules doesnt mean alanfreed has to follow you.

Message edited by author 2007-06-26 11:55:49.
 06/26/2007 11:59:35 AM · #35
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.


Without regard to the challenge topic? (you implied this)

What's the point of the topic?

I like this challenge since it forces the voters to slow down their voting process (from 2 sec/image to 3). ;o)
 06/26/2007 12:03:36 PM · #36
Originally posted by pekesty:
Just don't confuse improving your photography with improving your scores Louellen.


Does anyone have a link to that blog where the guy posts photographs by photographers who are considered to be some of the greatest photographers of all time, and smart asses like us have the nerve to trounce them?

I always say that Ansel Adams would get his butt handed to him on this site.
 06/26/2007 12:10:02 PM · #37
I am fairly new to being active on this site but I have tried to stay with the Challenge when I voted.

I first tried to find Waldo and then I considered the shot as a photograph. I also tried to assess if Waldo was hidden or just happened to be in shot. Images where Waldo was a spec on the horizon scored lower than where Waldo was actually hiding.

I was tempted to DNMC some shots where Waldo was nowhere to be found but resisted the urge - it may just have been pilot error using the MK1 eyeball. :)

06/26/2007 12:11:40 PM · #38
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.


Without regard to the challenge topic? (you implied this)


No, I always take the challenge into strong consideration when voting. I just think it's kinda silly to decide to vote lower if I can't find Waldo. There were very few shots where I couldn't find Waldo.

How cleverly hidden is the person? How does the hiding of a person fit into the overall scheme of the shot? Is the shot crappy, or appealing? Was there any real effort put into the shot, or did someone just fire off something snapshot-ish that kinda vaguely meets the challenge? Those are the things I voted on.
 06/26/2007 12:27:12 PM · #39
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Call me crazy, but I voted on how good a picture they each were.


Without regard to the challenge topic? (you implied this)


No, I always take the challenge into strong consideration when voting. I just think it's kinda silly to decide to vote lower if I can't find Waldo. There were very few shots where I couldn't find Waldo.

How cleverly hidden is the person? How does the hiding of a person fit into the overall scheme of the shot? Is the shot crappy, or appealing? Was there any real effort put into the shot, or did someone just fire off something snapshot-ish that kinda vaguely meets the challenge? Those are the things I voted on.


Intentionally leaving Waldo out of the image is another thing. I'm sure there's a few of those.

However, I will give the benefit of the doubt in cases where it is possible that the tiny blip somewhere in the image could be a person rather than a speck of dust.

Having seen other challenges where the image entered was in total disregard of the description I guess I'm a little skeptical.
 06/26/2007 05:06:27 PM · #40
I think there are some great pictures out there and I have really enjoyed trying to find many of the Waldo's.

The only comment I would make on the whole 'where's waldo' area is that when you look at the books that gave their name to the challenge the Waldo figure doesn't tend to be one of the main visual elements on the page . . in fact I believe the whole point of the book is trying to find the little fellow (and friends) hidden in a distracting background : ) the challenge rules also say 'Hide a person in your otherwise person-less photo.'

So I struggle a bit if a picture is closer to a portrait than a puzzle, and likewise I also struggle when people say that if he can't easily be seen then the entry gets marked down (that's what 'hide' means - not easily seen).

So if you accept that many of the shot's are going to have small or partially obscurred figures (as in the book), then add into the equation hundreds of differently calibrated monitors, it's not surprising that many are hard to find :- )

I won't worry you with how determined I got to find some of them. lol.
06/30/2007 11:44:50 AM · #41
ROFL Ragamuffingirl!!!

You know, I have something similar written in my profile! (worded differently, but meaning the same thing) I'm sure that if the members of this site were to vote, we'd find something horribly wrong with some of the most revered photos in the world! I'd hate to see some of their scores!!! *grin*

Nicely said!!! BRAVA!!!

Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
Originally posted by pekesty:
Just don't confuse improving your photography with improving your scores Louellen.


Does anyone have a link to that blog where the guy posts photographs by photographers who are considered to be some of the greatest photographers of all time, and smart asses like us have the nerve to trounce them?

I always say that Ansel Adams would get his butt handed to him on this site.
06/30/2007 11:52:40 AM · #42
Pekesty.......you know, you said a whole mouthful right here that really resonates well with me! You're absolutely right. I'm deviating from my own "style" just to please voter's tastes and it's not helping my "creativity" or the advancement of my skills. I'm finding that I'm looking more for a way to up my scores than I am to improve my general photography and I thank you for pointing that out to me again! I know it, I guess I get lost in attempting to see my final score above the "6 mark"! I've yet to do that in DPC....but, have had great success in other challenges in other sites/contests.

I'm wondering how many others are bending in their styles and learning curves the way that I have been finding myself going in trying to please the voters in DPC??? *sigh*

Thanks Pekesty for reminding me of that! A much needed "wake-up" boot in the rear! *grin*

Originally posted by pekesty:
Just don't confuse improving your photography with improving your scores Louellen. They are two completely different beasts when talking about these threads. The arguements contained in these threads are always about interperatation of the challenge topic, and usually the extreme points of view. They really doesn't do much to help your photography and only helps your score on the next challenge if the topic happens to be similar enough to make some sort of prediction.

These types of threads just won't do much to help you to improve your photography...look elsewhere for that!

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Why do people feel compelled to announce how they will vote? Just vote. ...or don't. :/


Personally, Art.....I find it helpful to hear what criteria others are basing their votes on as it gives me insight as to how voters are thinking in different challenges so that I can make a call as to what I do or don't do with photos in future challenges! It seems to give us all some indication as a whole as to what pleases eyes and what doesn't.

Anything that's helpful in improving photography is of interest, don't you think? :)
06/30/2007 12:18:11 PM · #43
come visit team suck - we definitely don't let voter opinion influence our work..!

edit - can't type

Message edited by author 2007-06-30 12:18:25.
 06/30/2007 03:00:51 PM · #44
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Pekesty.......you know, you said a whole mouthful right here that really resonates well with me! You're absolutely right. I'm deviating from my own "style" just to please voter's tastes and it's not helping my "creativity" or the advancement of my skills. I'm finding that I'm looking more for a way to up my scores than I am to improve my general photography and I thank you for pointing that out to me again! I know it, I guess I get lost in attempting to see my final score above the "6 mark"! I've yet to do that in DPC....but, have had great success in other challenges in other sites/contests.

I'm wondering how many others are bending in their styles and learning curves the way that I have been finding myself going in trying to please the voters in DPC??? *sigh*

Thanks Pekesty for reminding me of that! A much needed "wake-up" boot in the rear! *grin*

Originally posted by pekesty:
Just don't confuse improving your photography with improving your scores Louellen. They are two completely different beasts when talking about these threads. The arguements contained in these threads are always about interperatation of the challenge topic, and usually the extreme points of view. They really doesn't do much to help your photography and only helps your score on the next challenge if the topic happens to be similar enough to make some sort of prediction.

These types of threads just won't do much to help you to improve your photography...look elsewhere for that!

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Why do people feel compelled to announce how they will vote? Just vote. ...or don't. :/


Personally, Art.....I find it helpful to hear what criteria others are basing their votes on as it gives me insight as to how voters are thinking in different challenges so that I can make a call as to what I do or don't do with photos in future challenges! It seems to give us all some indication as a whole as to what pleases eyes and what doesn't.

Anything that's helpful in improving photography is of interest, don't you think? :)


Which is why I don't enter the challenges here. Albeit, I even disappear from here for months at a time. Sure if all I am interested in is scores and goofing around, I'd be around more. Am not saying that is all that happens, but majority of it, along with b*tching about scores. There are a few photographers here though that have my admiration, not only for their thoughts, their images and even for the way they handle themselves.

Ken/Art is right, vote / don't vote, it is up to you, and it is up to you as why you gave the score that you did. Why announce it? My voting is my voting, if I leave comment or if I don't... all of it is my business, not anyone elses. Just the way I see it....
 07/01/2007 10:31:02 PM · #45
Okay, here's the dilemma. If you hide Waldo in plain sight, but not many are able to see him, or few are willing to change their preconceptions about perspective and space, then the contest submission is doomed. I made the mistake of assuming this was a contest challenge. The challenge details suggested one should "hide Waldo in plain sight". Okay, I did that! It's not my fault people were unable to find him. He is in plain sight! However, I failed... because I'm getting low scores for "winning" the challenge to "hide him in plain sight". Oh, well! It's not the end of the world. And, this doesn't hurt my DPL team. So, I declare that I have won because.... less than half have found Waldo. But, I acknowledge I have lost .... due to the punishment of scores from those who cannot see.
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