Challenge violations - DPChallenge Forums

06/21/2007 05:22:13 PM · #1

Just want to say I quite surprised on the number of obvious rule violations that are getting through some of the recent basic and minimal challenges and usually end up scoring well!!

I'm not here to call anyone out and will not, but it seems the rules can be bent if the image was done to the majorities liking in the minimal and basic challenges...

And I know someone will say "why didn't you report it" well I did report one a while back that was IMO ignored, then asked the opinion of someone here that's a highly skilled and respected photog in case somehow I was wrong which turns out I was right by their opinion and 2 others but the image somehow made it through anyway so IMO why bother trying to report blatant violations?

/rant off

felt I had to get that off my chest...

-dave

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

06/21/2007 05:24:25 PM · #2

Thanks Dave. Me, I like to print out the pictures I suspect and tape them to the fence out back and throw eggs and vegetables at them. Try that. :D

Canon EOS-20D

06/21/2007 05:27:44 PM · #3

No reports are ignored. We vote on every single one.

06/21/2007 05:28:09 PM · #4

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Thanks Dave. Me, I like to print out the pictures I suspect and tape them to the fence out back and throw eggs and vegetables at them. Try that. :D

LOL great idea but my fence isn't that big :P

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6

06/21/2007 05:29:45 PM · #5

Originally posted by dknourek:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Thanks Dave. Me, I like to print out the pictures I suspect and tape them to the fence out back and throw eggs and vegetables at them. Try that. :D

LOL great idea but my fence isn't that big :P

Then staple them to your neighbor's cat. That makes it more challenging to hit.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 17:29:58.

kteach

Nikon D50

06/21/2007 05:36:48 PM · #6

Good to see you back, Art... full of good ideas as always.

Back to the topic though. If you've reported it and SC has found it to be legal, why not PM the photographer and ask them to share their editing steps. I know I could certainly stand getting some tips on how to perk up my images for basic editing challenges!

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

06/21/2007 05:38:15 PM · #7

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Then staple them to your neighbor's cat. That makes it more challenging to hit.

Now THAT's Funny!!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

06/21/2007 05:43:00 PM · #8

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by dknourek:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Thanks Dave. Me, I like to print out the pictures I suspect and tape them to the fence out back and throw eggs and vegetables at them. Try that. :D

LOL great idea but my fence isn't that big :P

Then staple them to your neighbor's cat. That makes it more challenging to hit.

haha good one but people around here tend to frown upon that sort of thing, plus with the air stapler its not much challenge to hit a moving target ;)

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

06/21/2007 05:44:41 PM · #9

Originally posted by dknourek:

then asked the opinion of someone here that's a highly skilled and respected photog in case somehow I was wrong which turns out I was right by their opinion and 2 others but the image somehow made it through anyway so IMO why bother trying to report blatant violations?

/

I am assuming a couple of things here

1. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others, was a member of SC and had access to the discussion and/or dq voting page.
2. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others was the original photographer, and gave you access to the original, and all of their editing steps.

If neither of those is true, apparently, it is not quite so blatant a violation, frankly.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/21/2007 05:45:00 PM · #10

Originally posted by kteach:

That's another good point but with my luck I would get "So you're the SOB that reported me!?!" which if I wanted that kind of crap I would have posted at least 4 pics in my initial statement ;)

-dave

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

06/21/2007 05:45:45 PM · #11

Dave,

I promise you that no validation requests are ignored -- if for no other reason than that our user interface makes it hard for us to miss them.

Keep in mind that the Site Council has a ton of collective experience (many of us as much as five years) in what I like to call "forensic Photoshop." We've seen people do some extremely creative things as part of their photo setups that eliminate the need for fancy post-processing. We're very good at proving whether the editing on an entry was legal -- sometimes even with an incomplete or erroneous list of editing steps from the photographer.

We don't have a convenient way to look up a list of validations you've requested, but if you'd like to let me know the photograph you reported, or at least the challenge to which it was entered, I'll be happy to look into what happened with it.

To protect your confidentiality, either post which challenge it was here, or PM me with a link to the photo you reported.

Thanks,
~Terry

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 17:47:18.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

06/21/2007 05:45:52 PM · #12

Dude I pay off the SC to get mine validated. The normal fee is $50 usd paypal'd to an undisclosed account.

Oops gotta run!

06/21/2007 05:48:41 PM · #13

Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by dknourek:

then asked the opinion of someone here that's a highly skilled and respected photog in case somehow I was wrong which turns out I was right by their opinion and 2 others but the image somehow made it through anyway so IMO why bother trying to report blatant violations?

/

I am assuming a couple of things here

1. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others, was a member of SC and had access to the discussion and/or dq voting page.
2. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others was the original photographer, and gave you access to the original, and all of their editing steps.

If neither of those is true, apparently, it is not quite so blatant a violation, frankly.

We'll I'll PM you the details on that pic later tonight and we'll see what you think if that's ok with you of course. Like I said I'm not here to call anyone out, thus why I'm keeping it an anonymous as possible ;)

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

06/21/2007 05:50:20 PM · #14

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

I'll pm you too tonight then...

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

06/21/2007 05:51:06 PM · #15

Fine with me. A ticket would probably work better, though, because, contrary to my husband's current belief, I am not online all the time.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/21/2007 05:51:42 PM · #16

Originally posted by dknourek:

I'll pm you too tonight then...

All I need is the name of the challenge to which the image you reported was entered. You can post that right here and still remain totally anonymous as to which image you reported.

I don't need any other details, I can see those in your original report.

~Terry

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/21/2007 05:52:51 PM · #17

Originally posted by dknourek:

Originally posted by karmat:
I am assuming a couple of things here

1. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others, was a member of SC and had access to the discussion and/or dq voting page.
2. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others was the original photographer, and gave you access to the original, and all of their editing steps.

If neither of those is true, apparently, it is not quite so blatant a violation, frankly.

We'll I'll PM you the details on that pic later tonight and we'll see what you think if that's ok with you of course. Like I said I'm not here to call anyone out, thus why I'm keeping it an anonymous as possible ;)

Just remember - I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. >:-|

...AND-- I know what you did last summer.

UrfaK

Canon EOS-650/T4i Rebel

06/21/2007 06:06:04 PM · #18

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Just remember - I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. >:-|

...AND-- I know what you did last summer.

Surely you can't forget to add I Still Know What You did Last Summer and I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer. Nice to have sequels to threats as backup..

06/21/2007 06:23:24 PM · #19

Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Just remember - I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. >:-|

...AND-- I know what you did last summer.

Surely you can't forget to add I Still Know What You did Last Summer and I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer. Nice to have sequels to threats as backup..

Threats? What threats? ...and here I thought it was so thickly veiled.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

06/21/2007 08:16:09 PM · #20

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by dknourek:

Originally posted by karmat:
I am assuming a couple of things here

1. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others, was a member of SC and had access to the discussion and/or dq voting page.
2. The "highly respected" photog, or at least one of the two others was the original photographer, and gave you access to the original, and all of their editing steps.

If neither of those is true, apparently, it is not quite so blatant a violation, frankly.

We'll I'll PM you the details on that pic later tonight and we'll see what you think if that's ok with you of course. Like I said I'm not here to call anyone out, thus why I'm keeping it an anonymous as possible ;)

Just remember - I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. >:-|

...AND-- I know what you did last summer.

Sweet can you let me know what I did last summer cause for the life of me I can't remember.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

06/21/2007 08:30:28 PM · #21

So if the SC proves to you my image was legal are you gonna leave my pic a big comment telling me how cool I am?

j/k

:-P

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

06/21/2007 08:31:41 PM · #22

Hi Dave, I got your PM.

On the image you had reported, we did request an original. The photographer did provide it (on the second try, he sent a different image from the same shoot by mistake the first time). We were able to successfully and legally reproduce the entry from the original provided, so the entry was validated.

Regarding the other image mentioned in your PM, that image was validated as well. I'll PM you a link to a good explanation of the effect.

~Terry

edit: Check your email

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 20:40:44.

06/21/2007 09:21:00 PM · #23

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Ohhhh surrrre, don't let the rest of us in on these cutting edge editing techniques. I'm off to ~~start a thread about the SC playing favorites~~ find out where Terry lives...

edit: check your rearview mirror

edit again: smiley scary face here>

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 21:22:40.