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06/21/2007 08:21:56 PM · #26

Originally posted by Brad:

When a challenge is clear, and the word person is used, it's clear what the task is. If someone uses a dog or a butterfly or whatever in place of a person, and it's obvious, they will never get more than 4 from me, even if it's the best and most amazing picture ever to come on the site.

What Brad said...

06/21/2007 08:24:17 PM · #27

Originally posted by awpollard:

Originally posted by Brad:
When a challenge is clear, and the word person is used, it's clear what the task is. If someone uses a dog or a butterfly or whatever in place of a person, and it's obvious, they will never get more than 4 from me, even if it's the best and most amazing picture ever to come on the site.

What Brad said...

I agree. I try to be optimistic and when i think a photo DNMC i look for a reason to make it meet the challenge. most times i give the benefit of the doubt but in a case like this the challenge is VERY clear.

06/21/2007 08:35:08 PM · #28

This one got 3rd in the 4-5am challenge. The shot was of the sun...in the daytime. Knowing what you know now, would you have rated this over a 5?

This was one of the comments:

This may alienate some fellow DPC-ers but so be it.

All those who complain so loudly about the "time" aspect of your photograph overlook an immensely important fact: Nowhere in the description of the challenge is a time zone specified. So 4am or 5am in one place is some other time somewhere else. It's all relative and really doesn't matter one bit. You made a BEAUTIFUL image by creating a great illusion - pretty much what photography (other than the strictest scientific or forensic kind) is all about, wouldn't you say??

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06/21/2007 08:41:54 PM · #29

Originally posted by kenskid:

This one got 3rd in the 4-5am challenge. The shot was of the sun...in the daytime. Knowing what you know now, would you have rated this over a 5?

This was one of the comments:

This may alienate some fellow DPC-ers but so be it.

All those who complain so loudly about the "time" aspect of your photograph overlook an immensely important fact: Nowhere in the description of the challenge is a time zone specified. So 4am or 5am in one place is some other time somewhere else. It's all relative and really doesn't matter one bit. You made a BEAUTIFUL image by creating a great illusion - pretty much what photography (other than the strictest scientific or forensic kind) is all about, wouldn't you say??

you keep pointing out things that b=voters may have not known about which is irrelevant to the OP. if someone uses an animal vs a person it will be very evident (well unless you shot a photo of Robin Williams)

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06/21/2007 08:45:04 PM · #30

I don't want this to turn into yet another thread debating appearances vs. actually meeting the challenge.

There's no way the voters can be fooled, unlike the 2 second and night challenges, so the issue isn't relevant here.

If you can make an animal look like a person, though, I think you'll do fine. :)

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 20:47:44.

06/21/2007 08:47:09 PM · #31

I hear ya! I didn't enter the 4-5am challenge for "obvious" reasons! I couldn't get up that early! However, I didn't even THINK about taking a shot at say...8pm !

Originally posted by levyj413:

Ken, I think that commenter is wrong, pure and simple. Which is fine. He'd probably say I'm wrong. :)

I'd like to see DQable extra rules on challenges like the ones you keep bringing up. If it says 2 seconds, I think it should mean 2.0 seconds. Night means night.

Many people argue that it's the appearance of meeting the challenge that matters. I just disagree. I've asked the SC to recognize that that approach seems to be the majority view and add "appears to be" to challenges, but they think that won't help.

Shrug.

06/21/2007 08:47:57 PM · #32

Originally posted by levyj413:

Ken, I think that commenter is wrong, pure and simple. Which is fine. He'd probably say I'm wrong. :)

This is very simple to me, and I don't understand why people insist on twisting it as much as possible.

I'd like to see DQable extra rules on challenges like the ones you keep bringing up. If it says 2 seconds, I think it should mean 2.0 seconds. Night means night. Maybe dusk, maybe dawn, but not noon.

Many people argue that it's the appearance of meeting the challenge that matters. I just disagree. I've asked the SC to recognize that that approach seems to be the majority view and add "appears to be" to challenges, but they think that won't help.

Shrug.

they do put rules in now. after the two sec problem. the 30 sec or more challenge DQd if it was less than 30 sec.

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06/21/2007 08:54:43 PM · #33

Ack! I tried to be good and edit my post, but BOTH of you quoted me too fast! Chuckle.

Ubersteiny

Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM for Canon

06/21/2007 09:03:03 PM · #34

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
would all of you say you could use an animal in the where's waldo? what if this animals name is Waldo?

Go right ahead and call me a nazi, if you must, but you can rest assured that if I do vote, I will vote you down for anything other than a hidden " person in your otherwise person-less photo"

I truly don't understand this. When the "assignment" is as clear as this, just exactly WHY do people feel this need to rebel against it? Is it simply so they can defy an authority? Does it make them feel tough or super clever? I just don't get it.

If your job is to build furniture, do you insist on trying to get away with knitting sweaters, instead?

WHY not simply do your best to fulfill the "assignment" ???

why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

Your kind of jumping to conclusions aren't you? I am not trying to "rebel", defy authority or anything else you said. I just went out shooting the other day in the little time I had not intending to take a photo for this challenge, but captured a nice photo that i thought might be good for the challenge.
But after seeing all these responses I think I'm going to pull it and put it in the free study instead.

06/21/2007 09:40:57 PM · #35

I would enter it.

[/quote]
why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

Your kind of jumping to conclusions aren't you? I am not trying to "rebel", defy authority or anything else you said. I just went out shooting the other day in the little time I had not intending to take a photo for this challenge, but captured a nice photo that i thought might be good for the challenge.
But after seeing all these responses I think I'm going to pull it and put it in the free study instead. [/quote]

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06/21/2007 09:44:31 PM · #36

Originally posted by kenskid:

I would enter it.

why? he would get lots of DNMC. why would you tell someone to enter something that at least 4 people in this thread said would get DNMC.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 21:44:48.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

06/21/2007 09:48:52 PM · #37

Q: How would something like this do in "wheres waldo" challenge?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
SDW

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/21/2007 09:51:19 PM · #38

Originally posted by noisemaker:

why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

You, yourself, are saying that you're settling for something not good enough!
Just because you didn't have time, doesn't mean you HAVE to enter just for the sake of entering.
If a photo isn't suitable/appropriate/good enough, you could just simply NOT enter it, and wait for next time when you CAN do your best.

ace flyman

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/21/2007 09:51:37 PM · #39

DNMC...How do I know his name is Waldo?....Lol. Sorry just had to do it.

I guess my idea of my Golden in a wheat field wouldn't work....Hmmmm

Originally posted by swhiddon:
Q: How would something like this do in "wheres waldo" challenge?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
SDW

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/21/2007 09:52:39 PM · #40

Originally posted by swhiddon:

Q: How would something like this do in "wheres waldo" challenge?

I would score that one quite high, I think it is spot on!

Rebecca

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06/21/2007 09:56:43 PM · #41

Originally posted by noisemaker:

why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

Err, this is true for just about everyone on the site. So why should it be an excuse for you?

Edit: Not that we're all high school students, that in general we're mostly normal people with very busy lives. I work full-time, run a home business, attend graduate school, and am in the middle of moving. And somehow, golly gee, my entries stick to the challenge topic just fine!

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 21:59:25.

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06/21/2007 10:04:49 PM · #42

Originally posted by noisemaker:

why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

Hey, as long as you don't complain about DNMC comments, I have no problem with you entering whatever you like. And I haven't seen you complain yet.

Many of us are quite busy, and I know I often enter what I can get, too. I do try to hit the challenge well, but I know where you're coming from.

RayEthier

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06/21/2007 10:36:01 PM · #43

Originally posted by noisemaker:

... why not do my best? because i dont have have time to...

When you get to be slightly older, a bit more mature, you may begin to fully comprehend just how mind numbing this comment is.

Let's assume your current employer saw this... Just how do you think that person would react to such a statement... Yes indeed, let's make certain ole noisemaker is given lots of time to do HIS work, otherwise he won't do his best... YEP, that sure is a vote of confidence. :O)

Ray

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 22:36:20.

Ubersteiny

Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM for Canon

06/21/2007 10:43:52 PM · #44

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

why not do my best? because i dont have have time to, im a student in highschool who works pretty much fulltime, so i dont have days to do a photo. I use what I can.

You, yourself, are saying that you're settling for something not good enough!
Just because you didn't have time, doesn't mean you HAVE to enter just for the sake of entering.
If a photo isn't suitable/appropriate/good enough, you could just simply NOT enter it, and wait for next time when you CAN do your best.

It's not that I was going to enter for the sake of entering, I'm pleased with the shot and thought it would fit in great... untili actually read the description

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/21/2007 10:45:19 PM · #45

Originally posted by noisemaker:

untili actually read the description

Now THERE is a brilliant idea - actually READ the description ;-)

Ubersteiny

Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM for Canon

06/21/2007 10:45:46 PM · #46

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

... why not do my best? because i dont have have time to...

When you get to be slightly older, a bit more mature, you may begin to fully comprehend just how mind numbing this comment is.

Let's assume your current employer saw this... Just how do you think that person would react to such a statement... Yes indeed, let's make certain ole noisemaker is given lots of time to do HIS work, otherwise he won't do his best... YEP, that sure is a vote of confidence. :O)

Ray

ha, thanks for twisting what I said :-)

Im talking strictly in taking photos for a photo site. It's the fact that I put my best effort in Work and School that i don't have time to put my best into challenges.
sorry for the confusion

06/21/2007 10:58:52 PM · #47

edit: I see the OP got to you before I did!

I don't think he meant he doesn't have time to do his best...I think he meant that he has so much other stuff ...school, work etc that he can't spend a lot of time getting a perfect photo. He then has to do what a lot of us "sub 6ers" have to do. That is try a few shots, edit and pick the best one!

I myself rarely have time to "do my best" on an entry but I have fun. I do at times complain about my score though! But in the end, I know it's not a great picture!

Skid

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 22:59:38.

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06/21/2007 11:02:47 PM · #48

Originally posted by noisemaker:

ha, thanks for twisting what I said :-)

Chuckle. Ya know, Dustin, you seem to have a knack for attracting off-topic advice regardless of what you actually post. Not that I speak from experience or anything. ;)

JeffDay

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

06/21/2007 11:04:32 PM · #49

Originally posted by Brad:

Amen to that....

PhantomEWO