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 06/21/2007 01:59:04 PM · #51
Race, alone was not the reason. It may have added to the heat. I'm also saying that the same would've also happened if there was some caucasion/white Harley bikers celebration and some black humans hit one of their children.

So is that the sad truth of racial equality, that all races can be equally violent?
What happened was just simply wrong and inexcusable, regardless race.

Added:
There was an incident in cleveland where a white lady hit a child with a vehicle in a black neighborhood, she didn't get beaten to death, but the folks tried to make it a racial cause. Poor women had to live with that, unintentionaly injuring a child. I can't remember if it was a fatal accident or not, was 3-4 years ago.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 14:08:08.
 06/21/2007 02:36:46 PM · #52
I think Tommy Lee summed it up best in Men In Black, "A person is smart, people are dumb." all it takes is one drunk moron and you can count on several more in a crowd situation to feed off this single idiot and that's how things quickly escalate in to an unfortunate event like the one from the OP. Race or not, it can still happen and it only starts with 1.

-dave
 06/21/2007 02:52:06 PM · #53
So the larger the crowd the greater the probability that there are even more then one, maybe even 2 or 3, drunk morons and idiots, may exist.

06/21/2007 02:55:34 PM · #54
The driver hit the kid, got out of the car, was beaten. The passenger got out to help, was beaten to death, and the driver ran for his life.

How is that an advocation of hit and run? (Aside from maybe "If you don't stop, you can't get beaten to death for an accident...")

I don't think that there's anything racial involved, except the celebration. Not one story that I've read in the last 24 hours has mentioned whether the attackers were black, white, Mexican, or Martian.

Alcohol, mob-mentality, and initial stupidity were the causes.
 06/21/2007 02:57:15 PM · #55
Originally posted by chimericvisions:

How is that an advocation of hit and run? (Aside from maybe "If you don't stop, you can't get beaten to death for an accident...")


that was the OPs point. ( i think)
 06/21/2007 03:20:44 PM · #56
That's right there is no mention!!! You hit it on the head. The media will not mention race! I can't count the number of times that I read in the paper or on tv news that "someone was raped or robbed"...they post a discription of the person that looks like this:

6 feet 1 inch...medium build, dark hair.....NO MENTION OF RACE ! Wouldn't it be better to mention race? This would help the general public out. You could rule out blacks, whites etc...it seems like saying the perp was 6 foot 4 inches 150 pounds, white with dark hair is better than leaving "white" out.

[quote=chimericvisions

I don't think that there's anything racial involved, except the celebration. Not one story that I've read in the last 24 hours has mentioned whether the attackers were black, white, Mexican, or Martian.

Alcohol, mob-mentality, and initial stupidity were the causes. [/quote]
 06/21/2007 03:23:16 PM · #57
well maybe you should tune into baltimore stations because they always say the race here; white, black, hispanic, whatever...they even say what shade of color they are.

Originally posted by kenskid:
That's right there is no mention!!! You hit it on the head. The media will not mention race! I can't count the number of times that I read in the paper or on tv news that "someone was raped or robbed"...they post a discription of the person that looks like this:

6 feet 1 inch...medium build, dark hair.....NO MENTION OF RACE ! Wouldn't it be better to mention race? This would help the general public out. You could rule out blacks, whites etc...it seems like saying the perp was 6 foot 4 inches 150 pounds, white with dark hair is better than leaving "white" out.

[quote=chimericvisions

I don't think that there's anything racial involved, except the celebration. Not one story that I've read in the last 24 hours has mentioned whether the attackers were black, white, Mexican, or Martian.

Alcohol, mob-mentality, and initial stupidity were the causes.
[/quote]
 06/21/2007 03:28:18 PM · #58
good for baltimore....here in New Orleans it never gets mentioned!

Originally posted by Chinabun:
well maybe you should tune into baltimore stations because they always say the race here; white, black, hispanic, whatever...they even say what shade of color they are.

Originally posted by kenskid:
That's right there is no mention!!! You hit it on the head. The media will not mention race! I can't count the number of times that I read in the paper or on tv news that "someone was raped or robbed"...they post a discription of the person that looks like this:

6 feet 1 inch...medium build, dark hair.....NO MENTION OF RACE ! Wouldn't it be better to mention race? This would help the general public out. You could rule out blacks, whites etc...it seems like saying the perp was 6 foot 4 inches 150 pounds, white with dark hair is better than leaving "white" out.

[quote=chimericvisions

I don't think that there's anything racial involved, except the celebration. Not one story that I've read in the last 24 hours has mentioned whether the attackers were black, white, Mexican, or Martian.

Alcohol, mob-mentality, and initial stupidity were the causes.
[/quote]
 06/21/2007 03:42:40 PM · #59
For a wanted poster or soliciting information to find criminals, it definately should be mentioned. In this case they leave that out to not incite a riot, to furthur feed the fire. Media is known for intentionally leaving out details, biasedly at times.

Added Boldface for re-emphasizing above.

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 16:46:10.
 06/21/2007 04:04:29 PM · #60
If that would have been a white crowd that beat a black man to death you can bet your sweet ass the media would have mention that !

Originally posted by justamistere:
For a wanted poster or soliciting information to find criminals, it definately should be mentioned. In this case they leave that out to not incite a riot, to furthur feed the fire. Media is known for intentionally leaving out details, biasedly at times.
06/21/2007 04:09:23 PM · #61
Originally posted by kenskid:
That's right there is no mention!!! You hit it on the head. The media will not mention race! I can't count the number of times that I read in the paper or on tv news that "someone was raped or robbed"...they post a discription of the person that looks like this:

6 feet 1 inch...medium build, dark hair.....NO MENTION OF RACE ! Wouldn't it be better to mention race? This would help the general public out. You could rule out blacks, whites etc...it seems like saying the perp was 6 foot 4 inches 150 pounds, white with dark hair is better than leaving "white" out.


Around here they always mention ("6'1", 250lb, Spanish or dark complexion, white t-shirt, blue jeans"), even when it's irrelevant. ("A black teenager was hit by a train today")
 06/21/2007 04:15:07 PM · #62
Like I said ...here in New Orleans we never hear it. They don't even mention it when there is a "special report" coming over the radio.

Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by kenskid:
That's right there is no mention!!! You hit it on the head. The media will not mention race! I can't count the number of times that I read in the paper or on tv news that "someone was raped or robbed"...they post a discription of the person that looks like this:

6 feet 1 inch...medium build, dark hair.....NO MENTION OF RACE ! Wouldn't it be better to mention race? This would help the general public out. You could rule out blacks, whites etc...it seems like saying the perp was 6 foot 4 inches 150 pounds, white with dark hair is better than leaving "white" out.


Around here they always mention ("6'1", 250lb, Spanish or dark complexion, white t-shirt, blue jeans"), even when it's irrelevant. ("A black teenager was hit by a train today")
06/21/2007 04:19:41 PM · #63
whats in a name?

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 16:22:34.
 06/21/2007 05:16:58 PM · #64
According to our local daily paper:
Initial reports were that a crowd of people attacked Morales and the event happened near a Juneteenth celebration at Rosewood Park, but Austin police said later that only 15 to 20 people were nearby and the incident had nothing to do with the nearby festival. APD Assistant Chief David Carter said the department would look at the information process.

"At no time did the police department suggest that the incident was directly related to the Juneteenth festivities," Carter said. "Actually, there was nothing that we found that would indicate that it was connected."

The Juneteenth festival took place several blocks from the beating scene.
 06/21/2007 05:25:04 PM · #65
Come on...you telling me that a gathering of 15-20 were "nearby" the Juneteenth were not part of the celebration but they were not part of the celebration? I wonder if these people gather around in large groups daily for no reason?

Originally posted by suiteness:
According to our local daily paper:
Initial reports were that a crowd of people attacked Morales and the event happened near a Juneteenth celebration at Rosewood Park, but Austin police said later that only 15 to 20 people were nearby and the incident had nothing to do with the nearby festival. APD Assistant Chief David Carter said the department would look at the information process.

"At no time did the police department suggest that the incident was directly related to the Juneteenth festivities," Carter said. "Actually, there was nothing that we found that would indicate that it was connected."

The Juneteenth festival took place several blocks from the beating scene.
06/21/2007 05:39:48 PM · #66
Originally posted by kenskid:
Come on...you telling me that a gathering of 15-20 were "nearby" the Juneteenth were not part of the celebration but they were not part of the celebration? I wonder if these people gather around in large groups daily for no reason?[


SO WHAT... I have been known to stand on the sidewalk when during the Rainbow Coalition Parade simply because I love the colours and pageantry.

Similarly I often attend Native American PowWows, even though I am of Scottish descent.

There is no direct correlation to be made here... you are functioning solely on speculation and what seems to be your own personal bias.

Ray

Message edited by author 2007-06-21 17:40:07.
 06/21/2007 05:46:49 PM · #67
If you were standing on the sidewalk looking at the parade then you ARE PART OF THE CELEBRATION.

And you are right IT IS MY OWN PERSONAL BIAS !

Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Come on...you telling me that a gathering of 15-20 were "nearby" the Juneteenth were not part of the celebration but they were not part of the celebration? I wonder if these people gather around in large groups daily for no reason?[


SO WHAT... I have been known to stand on the sidewalk when during the Rainbow Coalition Parade simply because I love the colours and pageantry.

Similarly I often attend Native American PowWows, even though I am of Scottish descent.

There is no direct correlation to be made here... you are functioning solely on speculation and what seems to be your own personal bias.

Ray


Message edited by author 2007-06-21 17:47:19.
 06/21/2007 05:56:10 PM · #68
Originally posted by suiteness:
According to our local daily paper:
Initial reports were that a crowd of people attacked Morales and the event happened near a Juneteenth celebration at Rosewood Park, but Austin police said later that only 15 to 20 people were nearby and the incident had nothing to do with the nearby festival. APD Assistant Chief David Carter said the department would look at the information process.

"At no time did the police department suggest that the incident was directly related to the Juneteenth festivities," Carter said. "Actually, there was nothing that we found that would indicate that it was connected."

The Juneteenth festival took place several blocks from the beating scene.


In the link from the OP, at the end of the video was that the mob attacking the victim? I didn't count, but it sure looked like more than 'only 15 to 20 people nearby' as stated by the Austin Police.
 06/22/2007 12:36:48 AM · #69
Originally posted by metatate:
I asked myself why this might happen other than hatred. There is a psychological trait in many people: When they see a child get hurt, they can get very angry. People can also get angry when being pushed around in a large croud. Synergize these 2 things and perhaps this seems possible. I don't have a point here, it's just my small brain trying to explain how this could happen.


I agree... it'd be great if there was a real tangible reason. I mean, maybe it's also possible they originally thought the child was more seriously injured? Young children often scream bloody murder when hurt... but I'm grasping too. It's a horrible occurrence I think it's beyond me to understand it.
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